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Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me. Before I was married, my…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me? Before I was married, my…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
@t8 you have made things so complicated. Just keep it simple, my friend. That which is begotten, existed before it was begotten. I think we have agreed on this point.
Now with that understood, we can acknowledge that the Son existed before He was begotten before creation.
Since a fatherless, eternal father is an oxymoron, we can understand that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
t8
You did well to get to this point: you said, “Yes we existed before being born.”
This is also what I said about the matter:
If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.
You said: “But to say that born rules out any…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup/Jael Discussion in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Hello Jael,
From your most recent group of questions, I seem to remember that you had a problem with the Holy Spirit being referred to as a He or a Him. I believe that the Holy Spirit is the united spirits of both the Father and the Son. Their spirits are their inner persons. The inner person of someone is referred to as ‘it’ or ‘he’ or ‘she’…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup/Jael Discussion in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Hello Jael,
From your most recent group of questions, I seem to remember that you had a problem with the Holy Spirit being referred to as a He or a Him. I believe that the Holy
Spirit is the united spirits of both the Father and the Son. Their spirits are their inner persons. The inner person of someone is referred to as ‘it’ or ‘he’ or ‘she’…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Thank you for your response, t8. I agree with some things you said. Although, regarding what He emptied Himself as…I think He emptied Himself of His memories and gave them to the Father for safe keeping. Little by little, Jesus grew in wisdom and received His memory back a portion at a time. Perhaps like if someone volunteered to go into amnesia…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Thank you for your response, t8. I agree with some things you said. Although, regarding what He emptied Himself as…I think He emptied Himself of His memories and gave them to the Father for safe keeping. Little by little, Jesus grew in wisdom and received His memory back a portion at a time. Perhaps like if someone volunteered to go into amnesia…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Jael,
you said:
Today I have become your Father, and you have become my Son
These are not words found in the original manuscript, sorry that you continue to not catch that after I have pointed it out to you.
There is a similar phrase that was used to identify Jesus as the promised Messiah in Psalm 2. It referred to the day of His resurrection…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
You asked (numbers added by me to correspond to my answers):
1.So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
2.The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
3.But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
4.Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
You asked:
So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less member.
But the head of Christ is God and the head of the…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
You are still clueless of the term ‘begat.’ If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.
Also, an eternal Father would require the existence of an eternal Son. Without an eternal Son, there would not be an eternal…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Jael,
Please read my last response to you more slowly and respond to what I asked of you in the first part.
Thank you.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Jael,
please read my last response to you more slowly and respond to what I asked of you in the first part.
Thank you.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Jael , your mind is racing. Slow down and find that most pressing question that you want to ask me and then I will address it here. Until then, I will pick a question of yours and address it in the one on one discussion thread that I made to keep my answers collected in a more comprehensive manner, if and when I have time.
Thanks!
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Yes, Jael, I believe that the Father is the only true God, YHVH, together with the Son and their Spirit.
I believe that the Son is Jesus Christ from within the unity of the Almighty God.
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 2 months ago
Thanks Ed J for putting this up. This should be an exciting time to be living in America!
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 2 months ago
Thanks thanks Ed J for putting this up. This should be an exciting time to be living in America!
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