@jael

you said:

Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?

I say: I have been telling this to you. I have shown you that the word ‘begotten’ can not mean ‘brought into existence’ since the Son had to exist in order to have been begotten from the dead. So when we…[Read more]

@t8

It seems like we agree 🙂 🙂 🙂 on the possibility that the Son emptied Himself of His memory which the Father released back to Him as He grew in wisdom, a portion at a time.

You said:

He may even had to learn who he really was.

Does it seem to you that after Jesus rose and sent the Holy Spirit, that knowledge of who Jesus actually was…[Read more]

I had to google the term, Ed J, it sounded familiar though. I do recall the lion shall lie down with the lamb also.

The lion shall lie down with the lamb

President Trump gave a great speech last night and certainly mentioned God as creator, without waivering.

Trump acted much more dignified which I expected since he is not competing against someone for the office anymore. According to the prophecy, I expect Trump to grow leaps and bounds in his faith so much that we will all witness his closer…[Read more]

President Trump gave a great speech last night and certainly mentioned God as creator without waivering

. Trump acted much more dignified which I expected since he is not competing against someone for the office anymore. According to the prophecy, I expect Trump to grow leaps and bounds in his faith so much that we will all witness his closer…[Read more]

Jael

Because of what you said here:

Nurture… Compassion … Love… Subordination… These are some aspects that are highly prominent in a woman over anything like the equivalent in a man (male).

I know LU won’t like that last part – but truth doesn’t have preference over who should believe it.

@jael

My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me. Before I was married, my…[Read more]

@jael

My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me? Before I was married, my…[Read more]

@t8 you have made things so complicated. Just keep it simple, my friend. That which is begotten, existed before it was begotten. I think we have agreed on this point.

Now with that understood, we can acknowledge that the Son existed before He was begotten before creation.

Since a fatherless, eternal father is an oxymoron, we can understand that…[Read more]

t8

You did well to get to this point: you said, “Yes we existed before being born.”

This is also what I said about the matter:

If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.

You said: “But to say that born rules out any…[Read more]

Hello Jael,

From your most recent group of questions, I seem to remember that you had a problem with the Holy Spirit being referred to as a He or a Him. I believe that the Holy Spirit is the united spirits of both the Father and the Son. Their spirits are their inner persons. The inner person of someone is referred to as ‘it’ or ‘he’ or ‘she’…[Read more]

Hello Jael,

From your most recent group of questions, I seem to remember that you had a problem with the Holy Spirit being referred to as a He or a Him. I believe that the Holy
Spirit is the united spirits of both the Father and the Son. Their spirits are their inner persons. The inner person of someone is referred to as ‘it’ or ‘he’ or ‘she’…[Read more]

Thank you for your response, t8. I agree with some things you said. Although, regarding what He emptied Himself as…I think He emptied Himself of His memories and gave them to the Father for safe keeping. Little by little, Jesus grew in wisdom and received His memory back a portion at a time. Perhaps like if someone volunteered to go into amnesia…[Read more]

Thank you for your response, t8. I agree with some things you said. Although, regarding what He emptied Himself as…I think He emptied Himself of His memories and gave them to the Father for safe keeping. Little by little, Jesus grew in wisdom and received His memory back a portion at a time. Perhaps like if someone volunteered to go into amnesia…[Read more]

Jael,

you said:

Today I have become your Father, and you have become my Son

These are not words found in the original manuscript, sorry that you continue to not catch that after I have pointed it out to you.

There is a similar phrase that was used to identify Jesus as the promised Messiah in Psalm 2. It referred to the day of His resurrection…[Read more]

@t8

You asked (numbers added by me to correspond to my answers):

1.So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?

2.The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.

3.But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.

4.Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less…

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@t8

You asked:

So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?

The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.

But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.

Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less member.

But the head of Christ is God and the head of the…

[Read more]

@t8

You are still clueless of the term ‘begat.’ If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.

Also, an eternal Father would require the existence of an eternal Son. Without an eternal Son, there would not be an eternal…[Read more]

@t8

Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]

@t8

Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]