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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Gene,
you asked:
Show one scripture of any activity of Jesus before his berth on this earth.
How about a chapter?
Genesis 18:
1And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
You wrote:
Acts 2.37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles
’Brethren what shall we do?’
Peter said to them
”Repent and each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promi…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you said:
Acts 10.36
The Word which was sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all)
Was he always?
Acts 2.36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.
Yes, the Son has always been Lord of all ever since all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you said:
God requires witnesses to our belief.
That is the purpose of this thread, Nick. I have presented you with those witnesses. Where are yours?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 3 months ago
Mike,
you said:
And Kathi can’t even bring herself to show up here and discuss the things I’ve presented.
I have responded here Mike and even gave you the video of a guy that has lived on the space station. So, don’t be dissing me. I gave this some time and I am believing the astronaut that confesses Jesus as Lord as well as the earth being rou…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
Do you believe that it is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on man that causes one to be reborn from above? Or is it belief in Jesus as Lord that causes one to be reborn? In other words, is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on someone making someone born again or is that to empower and seal the believer who is already born…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
NIck,
you said: He was reborn from above at the Jordan showing us the way we should follow.
Where does Jesus claim to be “reborn from above?”
To quote you: “Should we add to what is revealed?”
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you said: Jesus said we could be one with himself and the Father in Jn 17.
By your understanding we will become God?
That shows me that you do not understand my understanding. Jehovah is not God of gods and Lord of lords…and someday Nick or Gene or t8 or Mike or me or any created thing. Jehovah is God of gods and Lord of lords, the Father…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
Should we add to what is revealed and say there are beings in God or apply other Greek logical derivations to scripture.
Could we still claim to be preaching the truth if we do so? Is that not going too far? 2jn9
No, we shouldn’t add to what is revealed, Nick. Scripture reveals Jehovah is both God of gods and Lord of lords in…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Gene,
You asked:
What you and some others, teach about Jesus being a GOD as GOD IS GOD, does not seem to agree with that LU. Because if Jesus were a True God as God is GOD, HE WOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT ALL “HIMSELF”, RIGHT?
Your statement there indicates that you do not understand what people who believe in the one God as more than one per…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Gene,
you said to Nick: Yes to us “there is but “ONE” GOD, ONE MEDERATOR BETWEEN THAT GOD AND MAN “THE MAN” JESUS THE CHRIST. How simple, how clear, how can anyone misunderstand that?
That “man” Jesus Christ is the Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness. It was fitting for Him to be the mediator between the Father and the creation since He…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Yes the SPIRIT OF THE SON (gal4.6) is from eternity.
In order for that to be true, the Son who possesses that spirit would have to be from eternity as well. The Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness, was from eternity past.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Gene,
you said:
LU…When Jesus the saints will be resurected and he and the saints will by the spirit of God establish his kingdom on this earth, and at the end of the thousand year rule, Jesus turns over the kingdom to God the Father, Just as scripture say, and Jesus himself will become subject to the kingdom just as everyone else will be.
The S…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
Does God call Himself a BEING or is that from theology?
His name I AM declares that He exists which is a form of the state of “being” verbs. It is not due to theology. You can call Him a being, Nick.
N: It was s going too far to say Jesus is God- he made no such claim.
Did He claim to be Lord of lords, Nick? Not directly. Is it…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick you asked:
But you do agree it will be handed back to the Father?
From what I can tell, from the time of Jesus’ return to the Father from the dead, the Son was given all reign over everything except the Father in order to destroy all enemy powers including death. The Father “turned over the reigns” to the Son so to speak. The Father had the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
What made you think from what I said that the KINGDOM was not everlasting?
You words Nick:
“So his kingdom is not everlasting in the future either.”
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you said:
So his kingdom is not everlasting in the future either.
A Nick made theology perhaps?
2 Peter 1:10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
you said:
Neither “lord of lords” nor “king of kings “are necessarily exclusive terms.
Well, put it to the test..Jesus is the everlasting Lord and the everlasting King, His kingdom is not of this world, He is the Lord of the Sabboth, He is the Lord of all, He and the Father receive the same glory and honor and praise.
Ask a devout Jew who…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Nick,
Ephesians 4:4 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
This is what I believe.
One body = the true church
One Spirit = the Holy Spirit
One Lord = Jesus
One baptism = the baptism…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 3 months ago
Hi miia,
I was glad to see that parachute open…wow! Anyway, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt especially when they boldly declare their faith in the LORD. Not only is the astronaut a Christian declaring his faith but also lived on the space station and sailed the seas in the navy. He must be courageous to be in the Navy for 30…[Read more]
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