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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Here we see that there is but ONE GOD (theos, meaning a god), and He is SOLELY IDENTIFIED AS THE FATHER, and then the passage says that there is but one lord (kurios, meaning master) and this master is identified as Jesus THE CHRIST (meaning the MAN anointed with the Set Apart Spirit of the FATHER).
Jehovah is both God and L…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you asked:
And if he is firstborn becoming part of Jehovah does that mean that the church will also be called Jehovah?
So when Jesus was a mortal did Jehovah DIE, and then did Jehovah come back to life when Jesus was raised from the dead?He is not the “firstborn becoming part of Jehovah.” You can’t BECOME Jehovah. The very meaning of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you asked ( the numbers are from me):
1.Why was Jesus not perfect when he was mortal, but had to become perfected?
2.As I already asked, if Jesus was perfect before, then why didn’t God just skip mortality and make others of his kind?
3.Oh but wait Adam and Eve were immortal, but they were not perfect, they sinned, so it is not i…Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
You’re welcom, t8. His name is Astronaut Barry E. Wilmore. Here is a write up on him if interested, its pretty impressive:
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might BE the firstborn among many brethren.
Colossons 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:…18 And h…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
When it says that Jehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah or Jehovah did this or that, He did most certainly do those things but they were accomplished through His MESSENGERS, that is what a messenger is, they carry the word and will of Jehovah.
Did you write that or did God write it through you, Jodi? Do you cook dinner for your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
You said:
Lightenup, if you use the NICENO-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED (AD 381) with me I will PAY NO ATTENTION, those of this creed were PAGAN CONVERTS who exiled or even MURDERED those speaking against their doctrine, they also translated texts and burned the originals they had. Their creed is worthless, they were by NO MEANS men of God s…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Right t8, a worthy profession…a satanist astronaut…NOT!
Here is the CHRISTIAN astronaut with many pictures of the curved earth from the space station. He mentions what it was like to spend Christmas day up there directly over Israel, he talks about the LORD. We need more videos of him on here.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Mike,
you said:
I didn’t call Sagan a liar
Yet you said this:
“I just pieced together a 1 minute video that shows Sagan lying, and Tyson telling the truth…”
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Mike,
Do you realize that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a globe guy?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
I just saw this…unbelievable response from Mike regarding the Christian astronaut that lives on the space station for months at a time and said the earth is round.
Mike’s partial post:
miia: Hey LU, I saw that video of the Christian who went to space, but quickly discounted it because anyone can claim to be a Christian (you must have googled…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Dig4truth
you said:
Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.
Mike: “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”
I think you missed…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Oh my goodness…slow down 🙂 I have so many things to address here, ha. Well it is late and I’m tired but I will touch on this one concept:
Jodi said:
From what I gather, you believe that when the Father made Jesus before creation, Jesus and the Father existed together from that time on as Jehovah. Is this correct?
No this is not correct. I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Mike,
I am not at all sure why you put up that “shadow in the well” video. I watched the video that yours is a part of and Neil Tyson is NOT a believer in the flat earth. You do realize that, don’t you? He even wrote a book entitled “Astrophysics for People in and Hurry.” One of the chapters is entitled “On Being Round.” He believes the earth is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
No problem about taking your time, it is the way things get addressed here sometimes.
you said:
Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it soone…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Jodi,
I can tell you put a lot of time in your posts. I handle little bits at a time, please be patient with me. If I don’t address something in particular that you have asked, please draw my attention to it.
For this post, I, once again will address Hebrews 11:17. I am completely aware that Isaac is the second son born to Abraham and the first…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 3 months ago
To all FE-ers,
So, I am wanting to know that you FE-ers have seen this post I made but quickly got covered up without anyone acknowledging. It destroys your ideas about the pillars that support the earth.
Hopefully this will shed some light on what it means that the earth has pillars to stand on:
from: http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/48884852.html
P…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Jodi,
Due to what you said, I am wondering who you think the “him” is?
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things c…
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