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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Nick,
The God of gods (the Father) is in heaven, true. However the Lord of lords (the Son) has been descending and ascending from and back to heaven. Jehovah is both the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son).
Philemon 1:3
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Nick,
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said:
Hi LU,
And his name shall be called Immanuel meaning God with us.
But he was never CALLED Immanuel as a man.
neither is he God our righteousness.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
Throughout the OT, you will see indications of God being with “us” as he wrestled with Jacob, talked and ate with Abraham, looked…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
Or what you say,
the days come, saith Jesus, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (myself)
Paul gives further proof that Jehovah is the Father…
I’m saying that Jehovah is the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son). The Son tells us that they are One. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the Lord of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
Lightenup you are going to have to tell us that Jesus raised himself from the dead, to keep in line with what you are trying to make Jeremiah 23 say!!
Jodi, where does Jesus tell us that he was going to raise himself “from the dead?” I know that he said that in three days he would raise up the temple, meaning his body.
Are you…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Hopefully this will shed some light on what it means that the earth has pillars to stand on:
from: http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/48884852.html
Pillars Of Our Mishnah
In our Mishnah, Shimon HaTzaddik declares that the world stands on three things: Torah, service , and acts of human kindness.
So, the three pillars on which the world stands are:
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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
So Nick,
You cannot call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness.” Someday even your knee will bow and your tongue will confess this, that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, to the glory of His Father.
Right now, your confession is that Jesus is an ascended human master, one who has ascended higher than any other human master. That is in line with New Age…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
Again…do you realize that the Father is not ruling through the Son since He was given all authority in heaven and on earth after the resurrection?
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you wrote:
…and this s the name by which HE WILL BE CALLED,
The Lord, our righteousness.
Do you realize that the “Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew word “Yahweh” there? In other words, a better translation is that He will be called Yahweh (Jehovah) our Righteousness?
Also, do you realize that the Father is not ruling through the…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
So Nick,
Thank you for your questions.
I have a bigger picture now on the whole Nicodemus, born again message as I dig into it more. I think the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus is about confessing the message in John 3:16-21 openly, boldly, in front of people, even the Pharisees. The story starts out with Nicodemus (a Pharisee) coming…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Gene,
Gene, can you say that Jesus is Jehovah our Righteousness? Please simply answer this question directly.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Gene,
I’m gonna try to show you the actual Hebrew of that verse that tells us that Jesus will be called Jehovah (Yahweh) our Righteousness. Look for the word YAHWEH. Go to this link
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/jeremiah/23-6.htm
Blessings, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
I’m glad you realize this, finally.
You should no longer say that Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Gene,
Can you call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness?”
Realize that when Jehovah is two, both Father and Son, and the Father has authority over the Son (which would show a perfect relationship, not an inferiority), then the Son would naturally receive authority from the Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Gene,
You said:
SHOW me the scripture that says Jesus is JEHOVAH.
Jeremiah 23:
5Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
No problem Miia. I don’t remember posting anything that required a response anyway.
Take care,
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Gene,
you asked:
Show one scripture of any activity of Jesus before his berth on this earth.
How about a chapter?
Genesis 18:
1And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
You wrote:
Acts 2.37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles
’Brethren what shall we do?’
Peter said to them
”Repent and each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promi…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said:
Acts 10.36
The Word which was sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all)
Was he always?
Acts 2.36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.
Yes, the Son has always been Lord of all ever since all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said:
God requires witnesses to our belief.
That is the purpose of this thread, Nick. I have presented you with those witnesses. Where are yours?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
you said:
And Kathi can’t even bring herself to show up here and discuss the things I’ve presented.
I have responded here Mike and even gave you the video of a guy that has lived on the space station. So, don’t be dissing me. I gave this some time and I am believing the astronaut that confesses Jesus as Lord as well as the earth being rou…[Read more]
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