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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
When it says that Jehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah or Jehovah did this or that, He did most certainly do those things but they were accomplished through His MESSENGERS, that is what a messenger is, they carry the word and will of Jehovah.
Did you write that or did God write it through you, Jodi? Do you cook dinner for your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
You said:
Lightenup, if you use the NICENO-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED (AD 381) with me I will PAY NO ATTENTION, those of this creed were PAGAN CONVERTS who exiled or even MURDERED those speaking against their doctrine, they also translated texts and burned the originals they had. Their creed is worthless, they were by NO MEANS men of God s…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Right t8, a worthy profession…a satanist astronaut…NOT!
Here is the CHRISTIAN astronaut with many pictures of the curved earth from the space station. He mentions what it was like to spend Christmas day up there directly over Israel, he talks about the LORD. We need more videos of him on here.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
you said:
I didn’t call Sagan a liar
Yet you said this:
“I just pieced together a 1 minute video that shows Sagan lying, and Tyson telling the truth…”
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
Do you realize that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a globe guy?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
I just saw this…unbelievable response from Mike regarding the Christian astronaut that lives on the space station for months at a time and said the earth is round.
Mike’s partial post:
miia: Hey LU, I saw that video of the Christian who went to space, but quickly discounted it because anyone can claim to be a Christian (you must have googled…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Dig4truth
you said:
Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.
Mike: “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”
I think you missed…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Oh my goodness…slow down 🙂 I have so many things to address here, ha. Well it is late and I’m tired but I will touch on this one concept:
Jodi said:
From what I gather, you believe that when the Father made Jesus before creation, Jesus and the Father existed together from that time on as Jehovah. Is this correct?
No this is not correct. I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
I am not at all sure why you put up that “shadow in the well” video. I watched the video that yours is a part of and Neil Tyson is NOT a believer in the flat earth. You do realize that, don’t you? He even wrote a book entitled “Astrophysics for People in and Hurry.” One of the chapters is entitled “On Being Round.” He believes the earth is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Hi Dig4truth,
No problem about taking your time, it is the way things get addressed here sometimes.
you said:
Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it soone…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
I can tell you put a lot of time in your posts. I handle little bits at a time, please be patient with me. If I don’t address something in particular that you have asked, please draw my attention to it.
For this post, I, once again will address Hebrews 11:17. I am completely aware that Isaac is the second son born to Abraham and the first…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
To all FE-ers,
So, I am wanting to know that you FE-ers have seen this post I made but quickly got covered up without anyone acknowledging. It destroys your ideas about the pillars that support the earth.
Hopefully this will shed some light on what it means that the earth has pillars to stand on:
from: http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/48884852.html
P…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
Due to what you said, I am wondering who you think the “him” is?
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things c…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Wait a minute, Isaac was not Abraham’s only son at this time, why is he called “only begotten”?
People have struggled with this because they don’t understand that this verse is talki…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said: Yes God manifested to Abraham by His Spirit in the three angelic beings.
Why do you think you should add to scripture? I don’t see those words anywhere in the chapter.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Ah okay I just read your next post and see what you are trying to say. So to you sometimes in the OT it is the Father speaking and at other times it is the Son? Or is it both of the speaking together? Or maybe they are at times talking separately and other times together?
Yes, context will help determine who is speaking.
For…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
I am sure you would be less confused if you would know whether the word translated as “Lord” is the Hebrew word for Yahweh/Jehovah. It is easy to check this in the to look at the Hebrew/English interlinear tool. I will post the same verses that you put up and show you that Jehovah is being referred to as merely Lord in your verses. Same…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick said:
God raised His Son, Jesus Christ.
God spoke through him in Jn 2
The Father did raise the Son’s body to life but the Son raised his risen body to heaven to the Father. Both events happened to be on the third day, Nick. When God does something through someone, look for the grammar to be in the passive voice. When the person themselves do…[Read more]
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