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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
So Nick,
You cannot call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness.” Someday even your knee will bow and your tongue will confess this, that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, to the glory of His Father.
Right now, your confession is that Jesus is an ascended human master, one who has ascended higher than any other human master. That is in line with New Age…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
Again…do you realize that the Father is not ruling through the Son since He was given all authority in heaven and on earth after the resurrection?
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
you wrote:
…and this s the name by which HE WILL BE CALLED,
The Lord, our righteousness.
Do you realize that the “Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew word “Yahweh” there? In other words, a better translation is that He will be called Yahweh (Jehovah) our Righteousness?
Also, do you realize that the Father is not ruling through the…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
So Nick,
Thank you for your questions.
I have a bigger picture now on the whole Nicodemus, born again message as I dig into it more. I think the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus is about confessing the message in John 3:16-21 openly, boldly, in front of people, even the Pharisees. The story starts out with Nicodemus (a Pharisee) coming…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Gene,
Gene, can you say that Jesus is Jehovah our Righteousness? Please simply answer this question directly.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Gene,
I’m gonna try to show you the actual Hebrew of that verse that tells us that Jesus will be called Jehovah (Yahweh) our Righteousness. Look for the word YAHWEH. Go to this link
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/jeremiah/23-6.htm
Blessings, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
I’m glad you realize this, finally.
You should no longer say that Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Gene,
Can you call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness?”
Realize that when Jehovah is two, both Father and Son, and the Father has authority over the Son (which would show a perfect relationship, not an inferiority), then the Son would naturally receive authority from the Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Gene,
You said:
SHOW me the scripture that says Jesus is JEHOVAH.
Jeremiah 23:
5Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
No problem Miia. I don’t remember posting anything that required a response anyway.
Take care,
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Gene,
you asked:
Show one scripture of any activity of Jesus before his berth on this earth.
How about a chapter?
Genesis 18:
1And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
You wrote:
Acts 2.37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles
’Brethren what shall we do?’
Peter said to them
”Repent and each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promi…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
you said:
Acts 10.36
The Word which was sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all)
Was he always?
Acts 2.36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.
Yes, the Son has always been Lord of all ever since all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
you said:
God requires witnesses to our belief.
That is the purpose of this thread, Nick. I have presented you with those witnesses. Where are yours?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Mike,
you said:
And Kathi can’t even bring herself to show up here and discuss the things I’ve presented.
I have responded here Mike and even gave you the video of a guy that has lived on the space station. So, don’t be dissing me. I gave this some time and I am believing the astronaut that confesses Jesus as Lord as well as the earth being rou…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
Do you believe that it is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on man that causes one to be reborn from above? Or is it belief in Jesus as Lord that causes one to be reborn? In other words, is the act of the Holy Spirit descending on someone making someone born again or is that to empower and seal the believer who is already born…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
NIck,
you said: He was reborn from above at the Jordan showing us the way we should follow.
Where does Jesus claim to be “reborn from above?”
To quote you: “Should we add to what is revealed?”
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
you said: Jesus said we could be one with himself and the Father in Jn 17.
By your understanding we will become God?
That shows me that you do not understand my understanding. Jehovah is not God of gods and Lord of lords…and someday Nick or Gene or t8 or Mike or me or any created thing. Jehovah is God of gods and Lord of lords, the Father…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
Should we add to what is revealed and say there are beings in God or apply other Greek logical derivations to scripture.
Could we still claim to be preaching the truth if we do so? Is that not going too far? 2jn9
No, we shouldn’t add to what is revealed, Nick. Scripture reveals Jehovah is both God of gods and Lord of lords in…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Gene,
You asked:
What you and some others, teach about Jesus being a GOD as GOD IS GOD, does not seem to agree with that LU. Because if Jesus were a True God as God is GOD, HE WOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT ALL “HIMSELF”, RIGHT?
Your statement there indicates that you do not understand what people who believe in the one God as more than one per…[Read more]
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