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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
Yes, the God of gods AND the Lord of lords are Jehovah, the everlasting light.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
You should take some time and read the history behind the Nicene council, Constantine, and the other councils that followed. They hated Judaism with a passion. This is why they changed Passover to Easter, this is why they CHANGED the Sabbath day to Sunday, and excommunicated people who kept the Sabbath from the commandment in the…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said:
God is not the lamp but is the light and His Spirit is the oil.
Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but Jehovah will be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Rev 21:23 and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Is that a spotting of the ISS that Mike doesn’t believe exists? Perhaps you missed this video, Mike.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
About that ISS that Mike says doesn’t exist…it can be seen by the naked eye, apparently. How can a non-existent thing be seen during it’s orbit, Mike??
The International Space Station (ISS) is a habitable artificial satellite in low orbit (205 to 270 miles) above the Earth, completing 15.54 orbits per day. Its first component launched into or…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
Regarding the video of the student asking astronaut Chris Cassidy about his high school days, the student was in California. California was where the astronauts were on the call to, not from.
See how things can get all twisted when taken out of context. If you realized that the student was located at the Riverside Preparatory Academy in…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
To be begotten also literally means to be born, or brought forth, from not existing to then be existing through something or someone else.
Did the Son not exist before He was begotten from the dead? If He did in fact exist before He was begotten from the dead, then your statement above is incorrect. Obviously, the Son existed…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you wrote:
Scripture tells us however the following,
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I do not disagree that the Son became a man and that action was foreknown and predestined. When it was predestined, the Son was no…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Lightenup please tell me how the word firstborn does not literal mean to be born first among another or others? You have your firstborn child or you have your ONLY CHILD. Jesus would be called only child.
The term “firstborn” would literally mean that no sibling was born before them, not that there was or wasn’t a sibling born…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Well, I’m just going to throw this out there regarding the light that existed before day four of creation…
There always was the Light of God in existence. I’m not speaking of a created light but the Light which would be always existent as contained by God.
Can it be possible that God made within Himself an empty space which He intended to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Nick,
you said:
So you can address God and His Son as your brothers?
Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
If Jehovah our Righteousness is not your brother, then you need to open your heart to meet Him, Nick.
Jeremiah 23:1Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith Jehovah. 2Therefore…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you asked:
Jesus is happy to call us his brothers (and sisters).
But he is God to you?
It is a wonderful thing to have a brother/sister relationship with Jehovah our Righteousness.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you wrote:
1 Corinthians 8: 5 yet for us there is but ONE God, the Father, FROMwhom all things CAME and for whom we exist, and there is but one master, Jesus the MAN anointed with the Set Apart Spirit, THROUGH whom all things CAME and through whom we exist.
The above passage tells us that the ONE TRUE GOD the Father created the world, and…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
The Jesus here is specifically identified not as a pre-existing son, but as the MAN that was crucified.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you mentioned:
We are told that JESUS was MADE into a lord and was MADE into the Christ, and it was done by God, and there is ONE God the FATHER.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Yes, Jesus is made Lord and Christ by the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Here we see that there is but ONE GOD (theos, meaning a god), and He is SOLELY IDENTIFIED AS THE FATHER, and then the passage says that there is but one lord (kurios, meaning master) and this master is identified as Jesus THE CHRIST (meaning the MAN anointed with the Set Apart Spirit of the FATHER).
Jehovah is both God and L…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked:
And if he is firstborn becoming part of Jehovah does that mean that the church will also be called Jehovah?
So when Jesus was a mortal did Jehovah DIE, and then did Jehovah come back to life when Jesus was raised from the dead?He is not the “firstborn becoming part of Jehovah.” You can’t BECOME Jehovah. The very meaning of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you asked ( the numbers are from me):
1.Why was Jesus not perfect when he was mortal, but had to become perfected?
2.As I already asked, if Jesus was perfect before, then why didn’t God just skip mortality and make others of his kind?
3.Oh but wait Adam and Eve were immortal, but they were not perfect, they sinned, so it is not i…Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
You’re welcom, t8. His name is Astronaut Barry E. Wilmore. Here is a write up on him if interested, its pretty impressive:
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might BE the firstborn among many brethren.
Colossons 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:…18 And h…
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