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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
Jesus is happy to call us his brothers (and sisters).
But he is God to you?
It is a wonderful thing to have a brother/sister relationship with Jehovah our Righteousness.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you wrote:
1 Corinthians 8: 5 yet for us there is but ONE God, the Father, FROMwhom all things CAME and for whom we exist, and there is but one master, Jesus the MAN anointed with the Set Apart Spirit, THROUGH whom all things CAME and through whom we exist.
The above passage tells us that the ONE TRUE GOD the Father created the world, and…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
The Jesus here is specifically identified not as a pre-existing son, but as the MAN that was crucified.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you mentioned:
We are told that JESUS was MADE into a lord and was MADE into the Christ, and it was done by God, and there is ONE God the FATHER.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Yes, Jesus is made Lord and Christ by the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you asked:
Here we see that there is but ONE GOD (theos, meaning a god), and He is SOLELY IDENTIFIED AS THE FATHER, and then the passage says that there is but one lord (kurios, meaning master) and this master is identified as Jesus THE CHRIST (meaning the MAN anointed with the Set Apart Spirit of the FATHER).
Jehovah is both God and L…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you asked:
And if he is firstborn becoming part of Jehovah does that mean that the church will also be called Jehovah?
So when Jesus was a mortal did Jehovah DIE, and then did Jehovah come back to life when Jesus was raised from the dead?He is not the “firstborn becoming part of Jehovah.” You can’t BECOME Jehovah. The very meaning of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you asked ( the numbers are from me):
1.Why was Jesus not perfect when he was mortal, but had to become perfected?
2.As I already asked, if Jesus was perfect before, then why didn’t God just skip mortality and make others of his kind?
3.Oh but wait Adam and Eve were immortal, but they were not perfect, they sinned, so it is not i…Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
You’re welcom, t8. His name is Astronaut Barry E. Wilmore. Here is a write up on him if interested, its pretty impressive:
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might BE the firstborn among many brethren.
Colossons 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:…18 And h…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
When it says that Jehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah or Jehovah did this or that, He did most certainly do those things but they were accomplished through His MESSENGERS, that is what a messenger is, they carry the word and will of Jehovah.
Did you write that or did God write it through you, Jodi? Do you cook dinner for your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Jodi,
You said:
Lightenup, if you use the NICENO-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED (AD 381) with me I will PAY NO ATTENTION, those of this creed were PAGAN CONVERTS who exiled or even MURDERED those speaking against their doctrine, they also translated texts and burned the originals they had. Their creed is worthless, they were by NO MEANS men of God s…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Right t8, a worthy profession…a satanist astronaut…NOT!
Here is the CHRISTIAN astronaut with many pictures of the curved earth from the space station. He mentions what it was like to spend Christmas day up there directly over Israel, he talks about the LORD. We need more videos of him on here.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Mike,
you said:
I didn’t call Sagan a liar
Yet you said this:
“I just pieced together a 1 minute video that shows Sagan lying, and Tyson telling the truth…”
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Mike,
Do you realize that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a globe guy?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
I just saw this…unbelievable response from Mike regarding the Christian astronaut that lives on the space station for months at a time and said the earth is round.
Mike’s partial post:
miia: Hey LU, I saw that video of the Christian who went to space, but quickly discounted it because anyone can claim to be a Christian (you must have googled…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Dig4truth
you said:
Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.
Mike: “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”
I think you missed…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 12 months ago
Oh my goodness…slow down 🙂 I have so many things to address here, ha. Well it is late and I’m tired but I will touch on this one concept:
Jodi said:
From what I gather, you believe that when the Father made Jesus before creation, Jesus and the Father existed together from that time on as Jehovah. Is this correct?
No this is not correct. I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 12 months ago
Mike,
I am not at all sure why you put up that “shadow in the well” video. I watched the video that yours is a part of and Neil Tyson is NOT a believer in the flat earth. You do realize that, don’t you? He even wrote a book entitled “Astrophysics for People in and Hurry.” One of the chapters is entitled “On Being Round.” He believes the earth is…[Read more]
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