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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Here are some verses for you to read and pray through Anthony, they are the names, titles and characters of Jesus Christ. This should help you see that Jesus is a man, yes but much more than a man, a prophet, yes but much more than a prophet. Enjoy:
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you said:
But after the Jordan he is said to be full of the Spirit. Lk4.1
And 2 Cor 5.19 tells us God was IN Christ.
21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are IN me and I am IN you. May they also be IN us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Nick,
you asked:
So God took a woman’s ovum and somehow formed a body for the Spirit to dwell in?
Do you expect Him to use her rib? It would not be impossible. We aren’t really told how God prepared the male body for the eternal Spirit of the Son to dwell in but we are told that He did and it was of the seed of David. It was said of Mary that s…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
The Messiah is not a vessel for God, Nick. He is the eternal Son of God and only eternal Son of God, to be given the same honor and praise as God, His Father. A mere vessel does not get the same honor as the potter. Jesus was not a mere vessel or puppet. Jesus is to get and does get the same honor and praise as God His Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
This verse:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This verse doesn’t say that the child shall be “made” a god, it says that his name shall be called the mighty…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said:
If Jesus was in fact a MAN, than he was made of a seed of a man and the egg of a woman, as that is how you get humans. I already explained from the OT and from Paul’s words why Jesus was born of a virgin, and it had nothing to do with him being literally half man of a woman’s egg and half god.
Half god and half man is NOT a MAN…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
In an effort to show me where I said that Jesus was not a man but just looked like a man (which I never said, btw) you put this:
Hi Lu,
This is what you posted,
“Last night I saw that you said this and I have to say that I totally unite with you in what you said here about what an only begotten son would be!…..
But, of course, it is not…Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
- Zechariah 12
4 In that day, saith Jehovah, I will smite every horse with terror, and his rider with madness; and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the chieftains of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in Jehovah of hosts their…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jeremiah 23:6
5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Zechariah 11:13
13 And Jehovah said unto me, Cast it unto the potter, the goodly price that I was prized at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them unto the potter, in the house of Jehovah.
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Jodi,
you said:
First just let me say that I suggest like Anthony, reading some OT and then using it, as you should for your foundation to the identity of the Messiah.
I have read through the entire OT chronologically before and read it as individual “books” many times. I am always interested in how the NT helps explain the OT. I think I’m…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Jodi,
I’m not sure how that challenge would benefit us since we all three agree that Jesus was prophesied about as the coming Messiah in the OT, and we all agree that He was to be a man as the Messiah and the Son of David.
I don’t mind a challenge of some sort though. Maybe the topic could be about where the OT speaks about Jesus, sorta like…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi C.S.,
Last night I saw that you said this and I have to say that I totally unite with you in what you said here about what an only begotten son would be!
you said:
We don’t use the words begetting or begotten much in the modern English, but everyone still knows what they mean. To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And t…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:1c
…the Word was God (the Son, the only begotten God).
John 1:14a
And the Word became flesh…
1 Timothy 3:16
…God (the Son, the only begotten God) was manifest in the flesh…received up into glory.
Acts 20:28c…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
you said to Anthony:
THIS is a HUGE problem Anthony, you cannot say he is actually a HUMAN being if he was not born with the SEED of a MAN, and the EGG of a WOMAN.
Was Adam a human being? Was he conceived with the seed of a man and the egg of a woman??? NO! Was Eve a human being, was Eve conceived with the seed of a man, and the egg of a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
Look at this picture of the full moon NOT inside the penumbra and then inside of the penumbra. There is not much difference.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years ago
Mike,
Here is the pic #11 from your ABC 15 site at 5:30 am. It looks like the timeanddate.com picture at 5:30 am.

Now go here and see the animated picture of the same event:
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=20180131
The lighter part of the moon is within the penumbra. The moon is going from below the umbra, up into…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi
you quoted a verse:
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
“unto a perfect man” refers to the “we” and perfect means “mature,” not flawless.
Ephesians 4:13
13until we all attain to the unity of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Jodi,
I believe that Jesus was saying that He existed before Abraham existed and I would not be among the Pharisees throwing stones, I understand that He is claiming to be the actual, same in essence, Son of God who pre-existed Abraham. The Pharisees did not understand THAT. You don’t understand that.
Of course the true and only begotten Son of…[Read more]
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