Mike,

I’m gonna call the original cell “The Original Organism” (OO) which in this original cell analogy, represents the eternal God in the fullest sense for the sake of trying to better understand how, from one eternally existing being, there exists one Father Organism (FO) AND His one and only Son Organism (SO) where the Son is the exact…[Read more]

Mike,

Please answer:

Did you watch the videos? Can you admit that the videos demonstrate how there starts out one cell and from within the one cell, the reproductive process begins which causes a two stranded DNA to “unzip” and one side of the strand goes to the left of the cell and one strand goes to the right, the nucleus divides and also…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: As for John 1:3, unless the Word himself and the Word’s God were two of the “all things” that were made through the Word, then “other” is clearly intended – just as it was intended in 1 Cor 15:27. The only difference in the two is that John didn’t add the obvious disclaimer spelling this out, while Paul did.

The context of Jo…[Read more]

Thanks Mike for addressing the quiz with this answer:

Lightenup:  And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.
MIke answer: Two different persons.  The LORD of hosts has sent someone other than the LORD of hosts.

Here is the quiz being referred to:

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by i…

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Mike,

You said:

As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario, the original cell represents the Father.  That CELL did indeed exist before the second CELL existed.  So yes, the “Father Cell” is, and will always be, older than the “Son Cell”.  And yes, the “Father Cell” brought forth/created/produced/begot” the Son Cell which previously hadn’t…

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Mike,

you said: So now we just go back to those scriptures I posted earlier that clearly say Jesus was made

But none of them say that Jesus was made, sorry.

this is better:

the original cell either represents the potential father and son

or the father and son before the begetting

Mike,

You said:

Okay, let me rephrase it…  As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario where there are now TWO cells, the original cell represents the Father…

Not quite…the original cell represents the father and son.

Mike,

If neither of the two persons were considered “made” then it would be wrong to add the word “other.” Since the word “other” is not in the text, that demonstrates that neither person was made. Let it be. Enjoy the eternalness of the Father and the Son. That answers soooooo many questions.

Please take the quiz that I put up recently here and…[Read more]

Berean, You and I get that Jesus is called Yahweh. That is refreshing!

Mike,

You said: Does this mean that Jehovah created Himself?  He is, after all, a part of the “everything” in the heavens, right?  Or could the word “everything” be sensibly understood as “everything excluding the subject”?

I understand what you the word “other” to be added but it isn’t.

Consider for the moment that both the Father and th…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario, the original cell represents the Father.

That would be impossible for the original cell to only represent the father since the meaning of father requires the existence of an offspring. The original cell would either represent the father AND the son or the potential father and son (as I…[Read more]

Kathi, can you give me just ONE scriptural reason why Jesus absolutely CAN’T be the first creation of his and our God, Jehovah?

Here is ONE scriptural reason:

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Mike,

You asked: Why would you propose something like that? 

My answer: To provide a real life example of something that demonstrates how through the asexual reproduction  process of binary fission, the simplest parent/offspring relationship which, according to a first and only generation, demonstrates that the age of the substance in both is i…

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Mike,

referring to this:

LU said:This passage is so wonderful:
Philippians 2

Be Like Christ

…did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped…

Mike asked:You posted that, Kathi.  What do those last words mean to you?

There is the begetter and the begotten, both identical in form and type, different in relationship. The begotten, alth…[Read more]

Jodi said: Scripture directly tells us that Jesus IS the root and offspring of David.

The root of a plant comes before the rest of the plant, the offspring of the plant comes after the plant exists and then reproduces.

The Son of God is both before Jesse and David  (as the Word who all things were created through),  and after as the incarnated s…[Read more]

Hi all<

Answering these questions might help realize something. Please respond…it should lead to an interesting discussion.

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

1.Who do you think is the…

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Mike

Mike, you asked: Can one creator have two different wills?

LU: Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Mike: That seems counterintuitive to me.  How could there be two DIFFERENT wills, yet perfectly united as one single will?  Perfectly united implies two identical wills, therefore only one total will.  But we know Jesus has a will of hi…

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Hi Mike,

An identical twin is not a clone, Mike. A clone has an original to clone to. I propose that the original, in the case of an eternal source, is either the eternally existing father and son where the son is existing but not yet begotten or the potential father and son before asexual reproduction begins. Since you are wrong immediately in…[Read more]

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

1. Who do you think is the “I”?
2. Who do you think is the “me”?
3. Who do you think is the LORD of hosts?
4. Are they the same person in questions 1,2 and 3 or…

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