Mike,

If neither of the two persons were considered “made” then it would be wrong to add the word “other.” Since the word “other” is not in the text, that demonstrates that neither person was made. Let it be. Enjoy the eternalness of the Father and the Son. That answers soooooo many questions.

Please take the quiz that I put up recently here and…[Read more]

Berean, You and I get that Jesus is called Yahweh. That is refreshing!

Mike,

You said: Does this mean that Jehovah created Himself?  He is, after all, a part of the “everything” in the heavens, right?  Or could the word “everything” be sensibly understood as “everything excluding the subject”?

I understand what you the word “other” to be added but it isn’t.

Consider for the moment that both the Father and th…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario, the original cell represents the Father.

That would be impossible for the original cell to only represent the father since the meaning of father requires the existence of an offspring. The original cell would either represent the father AND the son or the potential father and son (as I…[Read more]

Kathi, can you give me just ONE scriptural reason why Jesus absolutely CAN’T be the first creation of his and our God, Jehovah?

Here is ONE scriptural reason:

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Mike,

You asked: Why would you propose something like that? 

My answer: To provide a real life example of something that demonstrates how through the asexual reproduction  process of binary fission, the simplest parent/offspring relationship which, according to a first and only generation, demonstrates that the age of the substance in both is i…

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Mike,

referring to this:

LU said:This passage is so wonderful:
Philippians 2

Be Like Christ

…did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped…

Mike asked:You posted that, Kathi.  What do those last words mean to you?

There is the begetter and the begotten, both identical in form and type, different in relationship. The begotten, alth…[Read more]

Jodi said: Scripture directly tells us that Jesus IS the root and offspring of David.

The root of a plant comes before the rest of the plant, the offspring of the plant comes after the plant exists and then reproduces.

The Son of God is both before Jesse and David  (as the Word who all things were created through),  and after as the incarnated s…[Read more]

Hi all<

Answering these questions might help realize something. Please respond…it should lead to an interesting discussion.

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

1.Who do you think is the…

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Mike

Mike, you asked: Can one creator have two different wills?

LU: Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Mike: That seems counterintuitive to me.  How could there be two DIFFERENT wills, yet perfectly united as one single will?  Perfectly united implies two identical wills, therefore only one total will.  But we know Jesus has a will of hi…

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Hi Mike,

An identical twin is not a clone, Mike. A clone has an original to clone to. I propose that the original, in the case of an eternal source, is either the eternally existing father and son where the son is existing but not yet begotten or the potential father and son before asexual reproduction begins. Since you are wrong immediately in…[Read more]

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

1. Who do you think is the “I”?
2. Who do you think is the “me”?
3. Who do you think is the LORD of hosts?
4. Are they the same person in questions 1,2 and 3 or…

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Jodi,

That is far from the only verse that mentions two, it was just the one that fell out of the sky last night and dropped in front of me. I’m kidding, actually I hadn’t seen that one before last night.

I expect you to not be able to see the two Jehovahs in that verse, your lens prohibits you.

God bless, LU

Lovely song, thanks for sharing. I listened to it here:

Stay well, LU

Good words Berean!

This passage is so wonderful:
Philippians 2

Be Like Christ

1Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on…[Read more]

Jodi,

Jodi said: Your reasoning makes no sense to me at all and I find it totally against so many numerous scriptures.

There is a reason that it doesn’t make sense to you, Jodi,  you have a completely different perspective than I do. You seem to filter everything you read through your belief that the Son of God is just a man, a lord of lords,…[Read more]

t8,

Every father is greater in some aspects to their son. That doesn’t mean that Jesus can’t be identical to his Father in every way according to their substance.

Hebrews 1:3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature,

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Jodi,

1 Chronicles 17 is about Solomon as the son of David that builds God’s house. No doubt that the passage has implications to Christ since Christ ultimately ends up on David’s throne eternally but the passage is more directly about Solomon.

Hi Jodi,

You seem to only accept Jehovah as the God of gods and not also the Lord of lords. That may be what keeps you from understanding the Son as both God and man. You spend many words trying to convince us that Jesus is a man. Who is debating that here? Many of us believe that Jesus existed in another manner before he was brought forth into…[Read more]

Mike,

LU: When you get stuck with the fact that the Bible said all things were made by God alone and also it says that God made all things through the Son, it really is as simple as recognizing that Jehovah God is both the God of gods (the Father) and Lord of lords (the Son) two persons.

Mike: So then…1 Cor 8:6 for us there is but one God, J…

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