Mike,

You (Mike) said: Kathi, I don’t think you answered me about Acts 4. What does it mean that the apostles prayed TO the one who created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them? What does it mean that they identified Jesus – not AS that one – but as the holy servant OF that one? YHWH , the One God manifests Himself in two perso…

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Hi Jodi,

Compare the two versions of the verse you base your views on:

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in…[Read more]

Not quite, t8,

“These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

He IS Lord of lords AND King of kings.

Now that you can see that, does it make a difference…it says that the Lamb IS Lord of lords, it doesn’t…[Read more]

Rev 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

I want to make sure you did not miss this post from yesterday:

I asked all members here for the answer to these “quiz” questions and Mike was the only one to answer. Yeah Mike!

Here are the quiz questions and Mike’s answer to them:

 

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell…

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Hi Jodi,

I appreciate the effort but it does nothing to disprove that YHWH is one God manifested in two persons…God of gods (Father) and Lord of lords (Son).

Both are involved in fathering Israel. Also, Hebrews is the witness that the Son is YHWH who made the earth and stretched out the heavens…

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Hi Gene

i don’t believe anyone here is playing games. This discussion is serious.

Regarding your claim that Isaiah 44:21 has Adonia (Lord) in it, it is not there. Even in the whole chapter of Isaiah 44, Adonia (Lord ) is not there. You are confusing the name YHWH (LORD) with Adonia.

Can you even admit that, Gene? Now where is the word “…[Read more]

Gene, where are the scriptures that say the Father alone created all things by Himself? I have seen where YHWH says that but not with the word “Father” in the context.

LU

Mike you asked:

…That being said, please explain how two completely identical entities can have a different relationship with each other.

I have been trying to do that. The OO theory explains this. In binary fission, from one cell that goes through asexual reproduction, two identical cells are the result. They are not the same cell, they are…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked Berean this: “…what makes you think His first creation, Jesus, must necessarily have His nature?”

The fact that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON implies identical in nature to the One who beget. The fact the Jesus is the ONLY begotten to an eternally existent One implies that Jesus contains the same eternal nature as his Father.…[Read more]

I asked all members here for the answer to these “quiz” questions and Mike was the only one to answer. Yeah Mike!

Here are the quiz questions and Mike’s answer to them:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.…[Read more]

Mike, the God of gods (Father) created everything through the Lord of lords (Son). YHWH is both.

It is absolute truth to say that YHWH of hosts sends YHWH.

Mike, the reason the article is not there for the second theos in John 1:1 is because of a Greek grammar reason. When there are two words in one clause written in the nominative case, the Greek word that has the article is the word that does the action, the Greek word that doesn’t have the article does not do the action “was” in this case. The…[Read more]

Good list of “dia” passages, Berean. Keep up the good work!

LU

YHWH of hosts sends YHWH=God’s word. One serves the other. The Lord of lords serves the God of gods, both are inter-dependently our one God not independently as if two gods. They are both perfect and both eternal yet different in relationship…one is the father and one is the son. That perfect relationship is demonstrated perfectly from the…[Read more]

Ok Mike, I’m planning on giving this some time today with you if you are available. Here goes:

Mike said:

Mike: And if the first one was a combination of Father and Son from the beginning, then the second one is an identical combination of Father and Son. So now we have two Gods who are both a combination of Father and Son. Is that your…

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@t8

Sometimes I write a post but it doesn’t show up on the topic but it usually does in my profile area. Then I try a “Test” post and that shows up. I edit that and paste my post in there and it shows up. It seems to happen when a new page is beginning. It’s been making me cray cray, haha. Thanks for addressing this and thanks for all you do to…[Read more]

I see t8 has been busy bringing up old topics. Watch out now, haha.

Reading this recent discussion here reminded me of this passage:

2 Cor 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

Jesus WAS RICH

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