Mike you asked:

…That being said, please explain how two completely identical entities can have a different relationship with each other.

I have been trying to do that. The OO theory explains this. In binary fission, from one cell that goes through asexual reproduction, two identical cells are the result. They are not the same cell, they are…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked Berean this: “…what makes you think His first creation, Jesus, must necessarily have His nature?”

The fact that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON implies identical in nature to the One who beget. The fact the Jesus is the ONLY begotten to an eternally existent One implies that Jesus contains the same eternal nature as his Father.…[Read more]

I asked all members here for the answer to these “quiz” questions and Mike was the only one to answer. Yeah Mike!

Here are the quiz questions and Mike’s answer to them:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.…[Read more]

Mike, the God of gods (Father) created everything through the Lord of lords (Son). YHWH is both.

It is absolute truth to say that YHWH of hosts sends YHWH.

Mike, the reason the article is not there for the second theos in John 1:1 is because of a Greek grammar reason. When there are two words in one clause written in the nominative case, the Greek word that has the article is the word that does the action, the Greek word that doesn’t have the article does not do the action “was” in this case. The…[Read more]

Good list of “dia” passages, Berean. Keep up the good work!

LU

YHWH of hosts sends YHWH=God’s word. One serves the other. The Lord of lords serves the God of gods, both are inter-dependently our one God not independently as if two gods. They are both perfect and both eternal yet different in relationship…one is the father and one is the son. That perfect relationship is demonstrated perfectly from the…[Read more]

Ok Mike, I’m planning on giving this some time today with you if you are available. Here goes:

Mike said:

Mike: And if the first one was a combination of Father and Son from the beginning, then the second one is an identical combination of Father and Son. So now we have two Gods who are both a combination of Father and Son. Is that your…

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@t8

Sometimes I write a post but it doesn’t show up on the topic but it usually does in my profile area. Then I try a “Test” post and that shows up. I edit that and paste my post in there and it shows up. It seems to happen when a new page is beginning. It’s been making me cray cray, haha. Thanks for addressing this and thanks for all you do to…[Read more]

I see t8 has been busy bringing up old topics. Watch out now, haha.

Reading this recent discussion here reminded me of this passage:

2 Cor 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

Jesus WAS RICH

Jesus became POOR so that…[Read more]

Mike,

I’m gonna call the original cell “The Original Organism” (OO) which in this original cell analogy, represents the eternal God in the fullest sense for the sake of trying to better understand how, from one eternally existing being, there exists one Father Organism (FO) AND His one and only Son Organism (SO) where the Son is the exact…[Read more]

Mike,

Please answer:

Did you watch the videos? Can you admit that the videos demonstrate how there starts out one cell and from within the one cell, the reproductive process begins which causes a two stranded DNA to “unzip” and one side of the strand goes to the left of the cell and one strand goes to the right, the nucleus divides and also…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: As for John 1:3, unless the Word himself and the Word’s God were two of the “all things” that were made through the Word, then “other” is clearly intended – just as it was intended in 1 Cor 15:27. The only difference in the two is that John didn’t add the obvious disclaimer spelling this out, while Paul did.

The context of Jo…[Read more]

Thanks Mike for addressing the quiz with this answer:

Lightenup:  And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.
MIke answer: Two different persons.  The LORD of hosts has sent someone other than the LORD of hosts.

Here is the quiz being referred to:

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by i…

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Mike,

You said:

As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario, the original cell represents the Father.  That CELL did indeed exist before the second CELL existed.  So yes, the “Father Cell” is, and will always be, older than the “Son Cell”.  And yes, the “Father Cell” brought forth/created/produced/begot” the Son Cell which previously hadn’t…

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Mike,

you said: So now we just go back to those scriptures I posted earlier that clearly say Jesus was made

But none of them say that Jesus was made, sorry.

this is better:

the original cell either represents the potential father and son

or the father and son before the begetting

Mike,

You said:

Okay, let me rephrase it…  As I’ve already pointed out, in your scenario where there are now TWO cells, the original cell represents the Father…

Not quite…the original cell represents the father and son.