Irenaeus says, regarding the Word of God:

And again Moses tells how the Son of God drew near to hold converse with Abraham: And God appeared unto him by the oak of Mamre in the middle of the day. And looking up with his eyes he beheld, and, lo, three men stood over against him. And he bowed himself down to the earth, and said: Lord, if indeed I…

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Jodi,

You said:

Honestly not trying to be disrespectful but I feel like I am talking to a brick wall.

You are not addressing the POINT given AT ALL.

You want to tell Gene and I that Jesus is not of the tribe of Judah, that he is not a son of Jesse and David, and thus is not an Israelite?

You want to tell us that Jesus is a liar when he said…

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Jodi,

To have the hope that you will receive an inheritance, you have to believe in the Son of God which you clearly do not.

1 John 5 10Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him; whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about His Son. 11And…[Read more]

Mike,

Do you realize that you can do nothing apart from the Son? You can’t even exist apart from the Son, not even for a second.

Mike,

You said:

Not necessarily.  I agree that God works very closely with His “right hand man” – as do many leaders.  But angels were sent while Jesus was growing in Mary’s womb, right?  Surely Jesus wasn’t involved in the sending of those angels.  God did a lot of things during Jesus’ time on earth that Jesus wasn’t involved with.  And at any…

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Mike, mike mike,

Did you really just write this: No, God wasn’t a “cell” with one mind who split into two cells with one mind that has two different perspectives.

Didn’t I recently correct you on this. I never said God was a cell. It is an analogy.

Gene,

I am not denying that Jesus quoted the Shema, I am denying that the words in the Shema are according to the translation that you are using. Your translation is wrong.

Look at the difference in these two translations and see that the difference is huge. Only one of them is in alignment with the original see if you can tell me which one that…[Read more]

Mike,

Regarding your post here:

Kathi, in Acts 4 the apostles prayed to someone who created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them.  In that prayer, they twice identified the Son as “the holy servant OF“ the one to whom they prayed, ie: the holy servant OF the one who created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in t…

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Hi Mike,

Regarding this post:

LU: The one mind is expressed from two different perspectives as it indwells two different persons as a result of going through the process of asexual reproduction.

Mike: What the heck does that even mean?   Are you saying that the Father and Son CURRENTLY share one single mind, and that this one mind contains a…

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Mike,

You said: The difference being that the Son’s power was given to him by the Father, right?

Does “power” mean ability or authority in your use in that question? For instance, in fleshly terms, your son could be every bit as capable to do such and such as you, his father, but without the go ahead from you, he cannot go ahead and do the such a…[Read more]

Jodi said: Mike, I can rightfully ask God for the glory that I had of God before the world was, just as Jesus did.

Jodi would not have the opportunity to ask God for glory of any kind before the world was because she wouldn’t have even existed with or without glory apart from the Son’s existence. If not for the Son none of us would be here lon…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said: Jesse would have never existed if it were not for God’s promise to anoint his son to bring forth righteousness and life.

Let’s just take it all the way to the top why don’t we…The Father would have never existed if it weren’t for the Son.

Jodi, I didn’t concoct closed mitosis, you are giving me too much credit.
That was in God’s imagination. Take it up with Him 😉

Jodi,

As you can see, this Peshitta translation is the better one:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the commandments: ‘Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One.’ “

Stick to that one.

Jodi,

You said: Lu, the entire analogy is abhorrent to me and just plain stupid.

I know that it challenges your understanding. It probably helps you to belittle it.

YHWH is ONE there is no other being like Him and never will be.

Yes, YHWH is ONE, a unity.

Jesus IS the image of the invisible God…even to this day.

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Mike,

You asked: Kathi, who did the apostles pray to in Acts 4? What is his name?

Whatever I told you back then still stands. The cell theory needs to be understood correctly and then you will get a better understanding of Acts 4.

Mike,

The one mind is expressed from two different perspectives as it indwells two different persons as a result of going through the process of asexual reproduction. In the Father, the one mind has the wisdom from the Father’s perspective. In the Son, the one mind has the wisdom from the Son’s perspective. Both the Father and the Son know all…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked: So then you agree that the Father has power to do anything He wants, with or without the Son… while the Son has only the power and authority given to him by his and our God, Jehovah, right?

The Father and the Son have power to do anything they want and are never without the other.

We are given that the One who was the Firstborn over all creation became also, a man is a first begotten of the dead, he is a firstborn of many brethren,

We are given that the One who was the Arm of God in the OT became a man that sits at God’s right hand,

We are given that the One who made all things in heaven and on earth became a man who h…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

you reduce His image to be like that of a single cell!

No, that is not what I have done with the single cell analogy. I have explained how one single cell is expressed as both a father and a son through the asexual process of reproduction. The analogy would help you greatly. Would you like it better if the one single cell…[Read more]