Mike,God and the Son are both the originator of the creation of God.

Hi Mike,How about just replacing the pronouns with the noun/proper noun that they represent in verses Zech 2:8-13…5 verses.Quote Zech 2:8-138 For thus says the Lord of hosts, “After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye. 9 “For behold, I will wave My hand over them so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2010,19:38)Hi Kathi,The question was:Is Jesus a part of the group of things that God CAUSED TO EXIST?Yes or no will work nicely.You said:Quote Anyway, a son procreated by God Himself would be another God.  A being created by God Himself would be a first of his kind and not another God.  Big difference!So all of King D…[Read more]

Hey Nick,Take some time and look at Zech 2. Rewrite the chapter by indicating who/what the pronouns apply to. I'm not asking for you to change the meaning of the chapter, just let me know who or what nouns/proper nouns the pronouns are replacing. It is a short chapter. It shouldn't take you long at all. Thanks!

Hi Nick,And what about the Son as the root of David? Why do you only know Him as the offspring of David?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2010,22:04)Hi Kathi,You said:Quote Would God be 'almighty' if He could not save His children?  The Father cannot save His children apart from the Son.Are you really implying that the Father CAN'T save His children without Jesus?  Wow!  He is the Almighty and the God of gods, including Jesus as one of those gods, but He…[Read more]

Hi SF,Sorry it has taken me a while to get to this…busy weekend!You said:Quote Idk about the outstreched arm……actually being the son.Why do i say this?1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?Lets state whats scripture says: It says who has believed our report? and to “whom” has been “revealed” the arm of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2010,18:33)Quote (Lightenup @ June 07 2010,07:35)God from God, not firstborn within a group of created beings.Hi Kathi,We finally find an issue that we can unite on, and instead of lending support to the evidence supplied by Eusebius, you go off into la la land again. Is Jesus a part of the group of things that God…[Read more]

The Son is the firstborn of God…over all things in heaven and earth. God from God, not firstborn within a group of created beings. A firstborn is procreated and He is God's firstborn and thus procreated of God Himself. God says His Son is the only begotten Son of God.

Mike,Pleeeeease do this, it is just one chapter, not the whole Bible.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2010,19:46)Okay, here it is:(Zechariah 2:1-13) And I proceeded to raise my eyes and see; and, look! there was a man, and in his hand a measuring rope. 2 So I said: “Where are you going?” In turn he said to me: “To measure Jerusalem, in order to see what her breadth amounts to and what her length amounts to.” 3 And, l…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Go to the Jodi Lee's nonsense thread and read my post to you about Jehovah, the Son.Thanks.

Hi Mike,I only am going to take a second here. Read Zechariah 2 and see the two Jehovahs for yourself. In some contexts the two Jehovahs are presented as one, a unity and in some contexts the two Jehovahs are presented as two as in Zechariah 2.Oh and on a personal note…there was a black bear outside my home tonight right by the garage about to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,10:42)Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2010,00:21)Hello,This might help understand Col 1:15, just read the verses here and see the definitions of firstborn and creation:Deut 21:17 NETRather, he must acknowledge the son of the less loved wife as firstborn and give him the double portion of all he has, for that son…[Read more]

Hi Keith and Roo,The guy needs help and we can pray for him. I wish I saw a glimmer of humility. I'm sorry he has chosen the path he has and I encourage you to ask a moderator to step in to maybe help him see the error of his ways when he hacks up your quotes and misrepresents your words. Maybe eventually he will see the light. I will continue…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,01:01)Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,00:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,16:37)Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,00:27)Yea, it's because I seek agreement and continuity in the body of Christ, while others don't; (Philip.1:15)EDYou seek no such thing and the words in your post prove it.You just proved my point! W…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 01 2010,18:51)Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:04)Roo,The angel told Mary that the Son's name would be Jesus, and the angel is the messenger of God and Jesus means Jehovah Saves, does it not?  Isn't Jesus' Father, God, and therefore God gave His Son the name 'Jesus.'  Mary and Joseph did not come up with His n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2010,00:04)Hi Kathi,You said;Quote Actually, I don't think that it matters all that much as long as you realize that the Father is greater than the Son and the Son is greater than all the rest.  Isn't that the main thing?That, plus the knowledge we are to only worship God Almighty.  If Jesus is the lesser “God” as you c…[Read more]

Hello,This might help understand Col 1:15, just read the verses here and see the definitions of firstborn and creation:Deut 21:17 NETRather, he must acknowledge the son of the less loved wife as firstborn and give him the double portion of all he has, for that son is the beginning of his father’s procreative power – to him should go the right of …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,22:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:15)Can Jehovah have an offspring begotten by Him before time and give Him His name, Jehovah.  That doesn't make the offspring Jehovah the same Jehovah that gave Him life.Hi Kathi,But they didn't name him Zacharias.  Can you find one person in the entire Bible who DOES have t…[Read more]