Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2010,10:22)LU………..Nick is not wrong , Like us Jesus had a Physical Berth and a Heavenly Berth, One took place when He was Born through the women Mary , the other was at the Jordan when he recieved the Holy Spirit and was then sent into the world to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God. People try to make a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,23:26)Hi LU, At the Jordan. That sonship we can follow him into.Nick,I disagree, we don't become a son the way that He did.

Mike and Rokka,I agree with you two and see no reason that God the Father couldn't have asexually reproduced His very own offspring from His womb, whatever that means to someone who is God. Perfect begets perfect…the difference, one is very Father and one is very Son. The Father is the source of the Son and not the other way around which is…[Read more]

Wow, thanks guys for your kind words. I was writing about the last week with my dad in the “Prayer for Others” section and guess ya'll didn't see it there. I am doing a little better but I was a tearful, broken hearted mess for a while. God comforts the broken hearted!Love you guys… Anyway…back to the topic of when the Son was…[Read more]

Hi Keith,I buried my dad just over a week ago so my holiday was the first without him…I am celebrating his freedom though.Regarding the verse “I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning,” there are many who place this begetting before the ages, even of the church fathers.Thanks for your input.

Thanks JA for your thoughts. I do not think that the 'day-star' is referring to satan in this passage. If satan was born of God instead of created of God then we would read that satan had the very nature of God. He bears the title of god but not the nature or God. Also, if the passage was about the Son 'eclipsing' another one born of God then…[Read more]

You are welcome Nick. He is

Irene, Happyman, and karmarie thanks for all your prayers. We buried my dad yesterday. I posted a poem about him in the Poetry thread in the “About Faith” section.Today I took my mom to buy her first computer…a new start for her. I suppose that I will need prayer for her to learn about the computer and that I am a good teacher seeing that she…[Read more]

Hello,Yesterday my family buried my dear, wonderful, one-of-a-kind father. He had decided to stop his kidney dialysis treatments and let nature take its course because of his hope of eternal life and he was just plain tired of being incredibly weak and not feeling good. He missed one dialysis appointment and about 13 hours later…my sister and…[Read more]

Hi Irene,I appreciate your prayers so much and your concern. I am guessing that most do not check this topic unfortunately. I really could have used all the prayers that I could get.I am sure you will be glad to hear that my dad is no longer suffering and is safe in the arms of Jesus. He peacefully died at 1:38 am last night and there will…[Read more]

t8,Quote 1 John 5:20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.Some people say that this verse is saying that Jesus is the true God spoken of in scripture. But if that was the case, i…[Read more]

Thanks Irene, I know what you are saying and my dad knows that we all support his decision. He made his decision tonight and will be going off of dialysis probably next week and I feel kinda yuck.Bless you,Kathi

Hi Irene and Happyman,Keep praying. I'm here at my parent's home and we had a visit from a friend who is a Hospice nurse tonight and we all took communion as a family with the pastor that was here. My dad is strongly considering going off dialysis…I'm not sure this should happen, his mind is still great! Pray for other options to help his…[Read more]

Here are comments from Calvin, Matthew Henry, and Wesley about the firstborn being begotten before creation:Quote http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom42.v.ii.iii.htmlThe first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the f…[Read more]

I'd like to see a debate between Mike and Paul…that would be interesting!

This is very enlightening:I think that James 1:18 is speaking of a begetting by designation first of all mankind and it is not referring to Jesus at all.James 1:1818 Of his own will begat (#616) he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.(#2938)KJVNT:616 a)pokue/w apokueo (ap-ok-oo-eh'-o); from NT:575…[Read more]

It seems here in this verse that what Roo thinks Jesus is, the 'we' in this verse really are and not Jesus:James 1:18NET ©By his sovereign plan he gave us birth 1 through the message of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.NIV ©He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of f…[Read more]

Here is how the NET translates this verse:Psa 105:36He struck down all the firstborn in their land, the firstfruits of their reproductive power.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,20:57)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,10:26)Mike,Do you see in Zech that Jehovah is saying that He was valued at 30 pieces of silver?Matt 27:9-109 Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “AND THEY TOOK THE THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER, THE PRICE OF THE ONE WHOSE PRICE HAD BEEN SET by the…[Read more]

Nick,Do you have scripture to state that the Word became flesh at the Jordan. What or who was the flesh before the Jordan in your opinion?