Hi guys,You are talking about something that is very important to me.  I have been saying this for some time:Quote In the beginning was the word…”Let there be light”and the word was with GOD…and the “Light” was with Godand the word was God…and the word “Light” was the God of GODThe Light was the firstborn of all creation, see Col. 1andQuote…[Read more]

Look what else Tertullian says:Quote 200 AD Tertullian "hen God says, 'Let there be light' , this is the perfect nativity of the Word, while he is proceeding from God. . . . Thus, the Father makes him equal to himself, and the Son, by proceeding from him, was made the first-begotten, since he was begotten before all things, and the only-begotten,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 07 2010,00:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2010,15:27)Keith,Jack and you do not believe that the second person of the trinity was always a son?  The trinitarians believe that, you know that don't you?  To be a true trinitarian, means that you believe in the trinity doctrine.  In the trinity doctrine, the Son is co…[Read more]

SF,Why don't you join us in the pre-existence thread and tell us more about where you are in this. You used to be a trinitarian, right? But now you don't agree with the trinity? Is that right? Let's talk about it in either the trinity thread or the pre-existence thread. This thread would not be the best place.

Keith,Jack and you do not believe that the second person of the trinity was always a son? The trinitarians believe that, you know that don't you? To be a true trinitarian, means that you believe in the trinity doctrine. In the trinity doctrine, the Son is co-eternal with the Father but that is not what you believe…hence, you do not fully…[Read more]

Hi Happyman,I'm glad to hear that Alma had a good report and successful surgery. I will pray for Linda T.Would you please pray for my friend Denise who has M.S. and also had surgery yesterday for a brain aneurysm. She is one of the kindest people that I have the privilege of knowing. Thanks!

Nice try Mike but you have to look at the word “perfect” and dig a little deeper. I will help you:The Greek word for 'perfect' is teleioo NT:5048 teleio/w teleioo (tel-i-o'-o); from NT:5046; to complete, i.e. (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character):KJV – consecrate, finish, fulfil, make) perfect.Jesus came to show us…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2010,22:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2010,07:09)Can you show me scripture that says the Son was not perfect?Now why would I look for that?  Instead, could you show me one that says he was?mikeMike,So, I have shown you scripture…your turn to show your scripture that He wasn't really the exact representation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2010,23:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2010,22:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,14:40)Mike,Good question.  There are verses about the Son being made perfect but I don't think that talks about His nature but more of a sufficiency.  This verse claims that He is the exact representation of His nature (God's).Heb 1:33 A…[Read more]

Keithi and Jacki, (Sorry, I just had to say that )I'll post the fuller context on your question as to what born and unborn meant:Quote Chapter VII.—Beware of false teachers.For some are in the habit of carrying about the name in wicked guile, while yet they practise things unworthy of God, whom ye must flee as ye would wild beasts. For they a…[Read more]

Actually Mike,When I went to edit that 'might could' I forgot to delete the 'might' and it ended up 'could might.' I really don't talk like that I appreciate you checking up on me, lol.Can you show me scripture that says the Son was not perfect?

Quote that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners465465 This clause is omitted by Eusebius: it was probably interpolated by some transcriber, who had in his mind 1 Pet. iii. 18. ), nor to worship any other. For Him…[Read more]

Mike,How could it be proven that He had a perfect nature, and that he had a perfect will which would never deny truth or His God; unless He was tested with all sorts of situations and overcame them as witnessed by many.  His perfectness was put to the test and He passed with flying colors.  This added to the claim that He was the Son of God, h…[Read more]

I watched this online just today and it was about this topic.http://www.xpmedia.com/tw017KH5m9yYJust copy and paste in your browser.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2010,00:02)I agree this is a deep thinker.  He wasn't a robot.  He did have his own free will.  So I guess there was/is always the possibility he would go against God's will.  If he absolutely COULDN'T, then I'm sure Satan would have know that.  And then what would be Satan's point of testing him?good night ma&#…[Read more]

Mike,He didn't follow God's will because He was a robot, but because He was perfect and knew from whom He came. G'nite ya'll,That is the southern 'plural' goodnight but can mean goodnight to just one person…smile…two or more are one and one is one or more…figure that out

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2010,22:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,14:40)Mike,Good question.  There are verses about the Son being made perfect but I don't think that talks about His nature but more of a sufficiency.  This verse claims that He is the exact representation of His nature (God's).Heb 1:33 And He is the radiance of His glory and <…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,22:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,15:20)WJ said:Quote I can readily accept that the Father viewed Jesus as the Begotten Son of God from eternity. The question is did the Trinitarians believe that meant there was a point back in eternity that Jesus was “begotten” or “literrally born” as having a beginning.Isn't a…[Read more]

Mike,Good question. There are verses about the Son being made perfect but I don't think that talks about His nature but more of a sufficiency. This verse claims that He is the exact representation of His nature (God's).Heb 1:33 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of…[Read more]

Good answers Mike,Now let's look at this comment and let's get a little into that:Quote Jesus is LIKE God, not the exact same as GodIs He like God like one nickel is like another nickel but they are not the same nickel?orIs He like God with a perfect nature also but is not the God He is like?