Tertullian on “Today I have begotten thee:”Quote Then, therefore, does the Word also Himself assume His own form and glorious garb,78237823    Ornatum. His own sound and vocal utterance, when God says, “Let there be light.”78247824    Gen. i. 3. This is the perfect nativity of the Word, when He proceeds forth from God—formed78257825    Conditus.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of “begetting” for God, for example He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.And there is none like unto Him. Sura 112:3-4 Many…[Read more]

Thanks Irene and Happyman for praying for Denise. I haven't heard how she is doing. I will lift up Christina and Tim to the Lord. It is so hard to suffer, I will pray for some relief.God bless you!

Hi Happyman,It is nice to see you posting here. I know some think as you do that there was a creation, then a calamity, then another creation. I don't see evidence of that in the canon. I know that the Son created the angels because Col 1 tells us that He created everything in heaven, visible and invisible, of course the Father is in the…[Read more]

Mike,Another good question and I have thought about that too.Look at this verse in Proverbs and see that the 'foundation' was still in process when the seas were gathered on day three.Prov 8:29-3129 When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I…[Read more]

t8,When you say substance, do you mean 'nature' like your children are made of the same stuff you are made of…they have a human nature? I think that 'nature' is easier for me to understand than 'substance.' Like nature begets like nature. Most of what I am reading in the early church father's writings is that they believed the Father and Son…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 09 2010,17:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,12:59)Hi Prof,First of all I believe that God begat God and not something less than Himself.  With that said, I think there is something to be said about those who love others wether or not their understanding is crystal clear (and whose is?)  Some might have really cloudy u…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 09 2010,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,05:59) Read this passage and think about it and then think about a person that claims understanding but does not seem loving to the other posters on here, for example:1 John 4:8-218 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I suppose that you were addressing David with those questions. I hope you don't mind me chiming in as I have given the matter a lot of thought over the last 17 years. The dia is translated 'by' and 'through' and other things. Do you think it makes much of a difference. God created all things by the Son and through the Son and for…[Read more]

Hi Prof,First of all I believe that God begat God and not something less than Himself. With that said, I think there is something to be said about those who love others wether or not their understanding is crystal clear (and whose is?) Some might have really cloudy understanding and some clearer. The understanding comes from a pure heart and a…[Read more]

Dennison,Yes the Son, the 'firstborn of/over all creation' is who God created by.Col 1:15-1615 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created t…[Read more]

Yeah Mike!

Dennison,I told you what happened and this is the conclusion that I have been testing:Could the 'word' in John 1:1 be referring to 'light' which was of the first word spoken 'in the beginning' – 'Let there be light?' Could that 'light' be referring to the 'firstborn' of/over creation…the true Son of God, the only begotten God?Over the past…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 07 2010,10:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,09:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2010,14:38)I took out the extra stuff so that it would read more clearly.Hi Kathi,Yeah, that helped.  Do you think that “worship” could mean “hold in the highest reverence” with the exception of the God who's SON they are holding in high…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2010,09:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2010,14:38)I took out the extra stuff so that it would read more clearly.Hi Kathi,Yeah, that helped.  Do you think that “worship” could mean “hold in the highest reverence” with the exception of the God who's SON they are holding in high esteem?See if you can find any of them…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 08 2010,02:29)Hi guys,You are talking about something that is very important to me.  I have been saying this for some time:Quote In the beginning was the word…”Let there be light”and the word was with GOD…and the “Light” was with Godand the word was God…and the word “Light” was the God of GODThe Light was the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 08 2010,06:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 08 2010,18:18)Look what else Tertullian says:Quote 200 AD Tertullian "hen God says, 'Let there be light' , this is the perfect nativity of the Word, while he is proceeding from God. . . . Thus, the Father makes him equal to himself, and the Son, by proceeding from him, was made the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 08 2010,16:54)To add Kathi,did you know that Hebrews write in a certain way?for example they give you the big picture first and than the details.For example in chapter one it says God created man on the 6th day male and femaleYET on the second chapter it detail how God created adam, and how eve came from adam.This…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,11:17)Hi Kathi,I think the revelation you had 16 years ago is profound.  God said “Let there be light” and it was Jesus.  Then he said, “You are my Son, this day (time period) I have begotten you”.And from that moment (or “day”), Jesus was both God's Only Begotten Son and the Light of God's creations that were s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,11:42)Oops, I just found a flaw.  God created the heavens and the earth through His Son, and according to Genesis 1, the heavens and the earth were existent when God said, “Let there be light”.Hmmm……Hi Mike,You are like a cup of water to a thirsty soul with your posts here and on the Christian Behavior thread.…[Read more]