Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,15:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,15:38)Keith, so then you would say that the Father came into being from Jesus…just saying if you take the stand that nothing means absolutely nothing.KathiNo because verse 1 and 2 of John 1:1 makes it clear that Jesus was with the Father before all things. So the Father…[Read more]

Roo,Day 3 is in the beginning.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,19:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,07:56)As far as Mike, I don't see how you can say he has shown fruit unless you mean that fruit is the same as truth and because his “truth” lines up with yours then he has shown much truth.Calling people idiots and jerks is not fruit at all.Hi WJ,I believe you are…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of…[Read more]

Keith, so then you would say that the Father came into being from Jesus…just saying if you take the stand that nothing means absolutely nothing.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of “begetting” for God, for example He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.And there is…[Read more]

Keith,I think you have to look at the context. Tertullian puts it well:Quote I will therefore not speak of gods at all, nor of lords, but I shall follow the apostle; so that if the Father and the Son, are alike to be invoked, I shall call the Father “God,” and invoke Jesus Christ as “Lord.”79177917 Rom. i. 7. But when Christ alone (is mention…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,13:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,18:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2010,08:44)As you can tell, to be made finished is one of the definitions.  Now let's see how the heavens and the earth were not yet finished until after day one when Light came.Hi Kathi,I can live with that.  Let's see if anyone else h…[Read more]

Roo,Coming into being means a finished existence, not an unfinished existence. Foundations were being laid when the seas were being marked out, day 3. Read Proverbs 8.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,14:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,14:27)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,13:38)Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,14:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,14:21)Keith,I do not believe that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.I don't care what the trinitarian forefathers thought, I am more interested in what the early Christians thought.  The early Christians say that the Son was begotten before the ages,…[Read more]

Roo,I know Christ is divine and also man. When did the Son become the divine Son? You don't think He was the divine Son before the incarnation? The church father's do and I have shown you over and over. For example:150 AD Justin Martyr “God speaks in the creation of man with the very same design, in the following words: 'Let us make man after…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,13:38)Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a “reproduction” of any kind? While you're at it please fill Kathi in on the fact that…[Read more]

Keith,I do not believe that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.I don't care what the trinitarian forefathers thought, I am more interested in what the early Christians thought. The early Christians say that the Son was begotten before the ages, one adds without passion ( I assume that meant without sex). I do believe they…[Read more]

Jack,No one before God the Father was formed and no other God, (a source of all things) came into being. The Son was not the source of Himself but came from the source. God is declaring that there is no other unbegotten God and anything coming into being would not be an unbegotten God like He was. The unbegotten God was the only true God and…[Read more]

Keith,Then why are you asking me if he is a trinitarian if you don't think I can make that decision? I don't care if he was a trinitarian. It only matters if he has truth to offer. When does Calvin say that the Son became a divine Son Keith? It wasn't at his coronation was it? Can you admit that or do I have to single out that line within…[Read more]

Here is what Tertullian says about the oneness of God:Quote He says, then, that there is no God besides Himself in respect of the idolatry both of the Gentiles as well as of Israel; nay, even on account of our heretics also, who fabricate idols with their words, just as the heathen do with their hands; that is to say, they make another God and…[Read more]

Hi Irene,God created it formless and void because He wanted His Son to form it and fill it. God was the source, the Son brought it to fulfillment. Don't read a story into it that is not there.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,10:25)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:02)Calvin on “today I have begotten you” in Psalm 2:7:Quote On this account, we ought the more carefully to beware of wickedly refusing the edict which he publishes, Thou art my Son. David, indeed could with propriety be called the son of God on account of his…[Read more]

Gene,The earth WAS formless and void, it doesn't say BECAME formless and void. The new heavens and the new earth are yet to come.