Mike,I had a thought about the 'no god formed before me' phrase.  If the unbegotten God is speaking here,  He may be saying that no unbegotten God will be formed before Him or after Him.  Obviously 'formed' gods were made by man in stone and wood and money, etc.  So, I think He is referring to 'unbegotten gods' here.

Jesus or more clearly, the only begotten Son, had to pre-exist because He was to be the outstretched arm of God to our creation, in a figurative way…like the right hand man so to speak. I know you are going to say that God was alone and that is the way He presents Himself to the Israelites…Him with His outstretched arm alone created the…[Read more]

Hi David,How about this question…what is the light that He had begotten in Gen 1:3. Have you heard the expression, “Light of Light' before? The Father is the Light and the Son is the Light OF Light as in Light FROM Light. One was first (the Father) and then beget the other (the Son).You asked “When will we sleep?” Why do you ask?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2010,16:43)Hi all!It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through procreation. When was Jesus “begotten”?What say you?WJKeith,Your question is confusing to me. When you use the name…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2010,16:43)Hi all!It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through procreation. When was Jesus “begotten”?What say you?WJKeith,Your question is confusing to me. When you use the name…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,22:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,18:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into your theory?And so was days, so how…[Read more]

Keith,In another thread, you said that you totally agree with the Athanasian Creed that states this:Quote Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man;…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into your theory?And so was days, so how does that fit into your theology?WJKeith,Did the day come before the light or…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 11 2010,23:53)Hi Lightenup,This is the post I just prepared for Marty and I just read your post so I will address it to both of you.Marty,In the Born or begotten thread, theres more to what I said, They are saying God has a body with reproductive organs and everything, that God actually gave birth to God as another God who…[Read more]

RokkaManIf you say the word is Godand also the word is of/from God,then God is of/from God.And if the word is with God,then the God of/from God is with God.Of course, the God of/from God is not the God which it/He is from.

Shimmer,You should have gone several pages back before you left your negative inuendo. That is my point. Certainly you should go and if you went when God told you I would not have asked you to back up your negative inuendo to me because you would not have been here to write it. See! You need not respond. Obey God and love your enemy and pray…[Read more]

I think that if God lost His cell phone in the closet, He would beat on the door I think we are similar. I equate the word with the Son. The Son is the begotten God. The Father is the begetter.

Keith,I don't know anything about a semi-arian except from your quote. I would think that you are a semi-tinitarian since you don't believe the Son always existed as a Son. You preach another Jesus than those Trinitarians that preach that the Son existed as a Son before the ages, and which the Nicea Creed states. I would guess many at your own…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 13 2010,03:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2010,09:32)Keith,You have called me many things that I am not and I do not care to go through the threads but these are some that come to mind:DishonestArianPolytheistanti-trinitarianthat I insist that 'begotten' always means to be 'born'KathiKathi,I am not going to justify my…[Read more]

Hi RokkaMan,That was ceative and thought out. Wouldn't that make Jesus the representation of God instead of the representation of His nature? Why can't He have just had a Son…simple. Maybe He couldn't come as a man because that would mean that He would have to give up His power and then if all things are held together by the word of His…[Read more]

Roo,I have never said that I thought begotten always meant a literal birth.

Keith,I'm not dishonest, I may be wrong but not dishonest.  My honesty is why I can't agree with you on some main themes.  I agree with you on some things and I have spoken that at times.I don't think you know that an Arian believes that the Son was created and created out of nothing that had existed before Him.  You know very well that I have ne…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2010,03:03)I don't have an agenda here Lightenup, but Jesus is referred to as an angel, just as John is.Mark 11 The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 It is written in Isaiah the prophet:   “I will send my messenger ahead of you,      who will prepare your way”— 3 “a voice of one calling in the d…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 13 2010,05:24)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 13 2010,00:01)Hi Shimmer,Your Posting the thoughts of others as well.If you agree with something someone else says,instead of importing their writing, absorb the points you agree with and re-word those points through 'your'filters; OK? Then we have something to discuss! Importingsomeone else's…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 13 2010,05:08)Lightenup, I answered your post, I'm not running away, only obeying what I was shown, please respect that.JustAskin, sorry, your alone in this, your choice to stay or not.ShimmerYou are now worried about obeying God but you weren't obeying when you posted your 'spiritual' inuendo to me because God had told you…[Read more]