Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,12:05)Here is Youngs John 1:18:God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.Hi Prof,You are taking that condescending tone…why is that? Do you think that the early church fathers were not trusting in Jesus' heavenly Father? It is obvious that they were…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,10:49)LU…………Look up the word (ONLY) and you will find it can just as easily mean (UNIQUELY) Check it out.peace and love to you and yours………………………..geneHi Gene,He is the unique begotten God and unique begotten Son. I would certainly agree that He is unique since no others were begotten…[Read more]

Shimmer,You make a good observation here:Quote OUNGS LITERAL TRANSLATION… notice the coloured verses which show, that The Father called Jesus His only begotten son, but also can beget anyone.The difference of being the ONLY begotten Son compared to one of many begotten sons is HUGE! One (the only begotten Son) has always carried the exact…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,04:00)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 24 2010,13:52)There is ONE verse in the Bible (NASB) that says “begotten God”:Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only “begotten (of) God” who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.I tried to explain that the word “of” is not used in Greek and was not inserted by…[Read more]

Professor,Whether you are impressed or not is certainly not why I posted Irenaeus writings. As I read through the early church fathers' writings, I can see why you are so opposed to them since they do not claim that the Holy Spirit is the female person of God and mother of the only begotten Son. I am not putting these up for your response. They…[Read more]

Irenaueus mentions the only begotten God:Quote 11. If, then, neither Moses, nor Elias, nor Ezekiel, who had all many celestial visions, did see God; but if what they did see were similitudes of the splendour of the Lord, and prophecies of things to come; it is manifest that the Father is indeed invisible, of whom also the Lord said, “No man hath s…[Read more]

Mike,We have to be convinced in our own heart…let the Holy Spirit work in us and He will take care of the others.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,18:47)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 26 2010,06:15)Mike!  It is so amazing that 25 posts later and the Question you asked in Post 1 is still not answered…. Round and round I go, where I stop nobody knows….:D  I just also want to make you and others aware that when you see a post not signed, it is Georg, while I a…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Don't you think that it is interesting how people are so upset about using the terms unbegotten and begotten in reference to the Father and the Son. We have certainly observed the early church fathers use the two terms in reference to the Son and the Father, even the early creeds. Since the knowledge of the Son is so important for…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 25 2010,01:22)LU – you are completely lost in an earthbound view.That is why you cannot understand what I am saying.You are saying what I am saying but really have no idea OF WHAT you ARE ACTUALLY saying…”GOD” is a word… can you get it… “G” “O” “D” is a word like any other word.As sentient beings we attribute meaning…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 25 2010,13:11)Hi Mike,The difference between the NASB and the NWT is a capital 'G.'  So the question is which one gives the the Son the same honor as the Father?Was there a capital “g” in the Greek text?   The Father will share His glory with NO OTHER, Kathi…….that includes His S…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 24 2010,17:58)Some time I think people deliberately confuse themselves.LU , it means ANYONE … Spirit or Man… What are you thinking…. Nothing more – just that: “Anyone”.Ahh…. I'm getting out of here – this forum is full of loose brain loonies ….A Headmaster (God Almighty) is a TEACHER (Mighty One) as are the…[Read more]

Hi Mike,The difference between the NASB and the NWT is a capital 'G.' So the question is which one gives the the Son the same honor as the Father?

Ok, JA…The only begotten mighty what? What is the 'one' in mighty one. Is the title 'god/God' here referring to a person as in 'only begotten mighty person' or a being as in the 'only begotten mighty being'. Does that leave any room for satan being begotten and the firstborn if Jesus is the only begotten mighty one? If there is an only…[Read more]

My opinion-I think the incredibly long hours spent on here by anyone, like Nick has, is not good. I hope he has filled his time with something more uplifting for him. If he wants to come back, he will with or without support. May God bless him!

Professor,I am not surprised that the KJV put 'son' there. The trinity doesn't easily explain a begotten God. That is why 'one and only' has taken its place. I think that it is a subtle deception. The main argument about John 1:18 had been whether the word was 'huios' or 'theos' in the Greek. The NET Bible has reached a consensus that the…[Read more]

RM,Thank you for your story. I am so glad that he touched so many lives and is now at peace with God. Happy Birthday to your bro!

Hi Professor,I think that every time we see “Son of God” we can equate that to 'begotten God' because that is what a divine being would beget. So, 'begotten God' is in the NASB one time and Son of God is in there many times. They mean the same thing as far as I understand it. That is why the Pharisees thought that Jesus was making Himself out…[Read more]

David,I'm glad that you understood and agree.

Professor,This thread is entitled 'born and begotten' and I find it an appropriate thread for what I am posting. I know you and JA do not believe that Yahweh could have an offspring that was His nature exactly but I do. It is their nature that makes them both deity, the difference is one was not begotten and the other was begotten from the one…[Read more]