Mike,I just wanted to encourage you to keep searching for truth. You are learning a lot and you try to answer everybody with thoughtful posts. Don't let these guys discourage you. Regarding 'begotten' the creeds decree that it was before the ages and that would mean that those who hold to the creeds would at least agree with you that it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,23:22)Hi Dennison,I stated that if anything exists there is time.  So we know that God always existed, therefore time existed.  Time and existence go hand in hand with each other imo.  Because God exists, therefore time exists and in that order.  What happened on day one of creation was a beginning to a specific tim…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,04:18)Lu,Here is the Definition of TimeTime–noun 1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another. 2. duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct f…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 26 2010,19:13)Quote (Baker @ Sep. 22 2010,04:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,15:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2010,22:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,14:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,04:14)MikeWhen Jesus touched the lepers (leprousy was a type of sin) he did not get infected by it, instead the essence…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2010,01:14)God does create beings that are like him. God is spirit and heavenly angels are spirits for example.If God desires fellowship, then you think that he would give life to beings that are like him.Hi t8-Here are the definitions that JA posted:Quote What is the difference between 'Create' and 'ProCreate'?And which, then,…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I stated that if anything exists there is time.  So we know that God always existed, therefore time existed.  Time and existence go hand in hand with each other imo.  Because God exists, therefore time exists and in that order.  What happened on day one of creation was a beginning to a specific time period measured in a peculiar way…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2010,21:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2010,06:40)Thanks Dennison,The word in 1 John 1 is called the word of life so maybe that has something to do with the 'action' idea.  If you think about it, God always existed and then there had to be a first thing to exist in a living way after Him.  So, that would be the 'word o…[Read more]

No problem Irene!Love ya,Kathi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The term 'eternally begotten' is quite an elusive term, don't you think?Kathi You mean like “God begetting a God” before the ages or time?WJKeith,How many quotes do I have to show you…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,16:57)Keith,Are you more comfortable if I said that begotten means He came FROM the Father as an offspring as opposed to being self-existent?Do you like those words better?KathiIt doesn't matter how you word it. I you believe at any point Jesus had a beginning before he…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:07)My purpose is to show you that there is more to their view than what you think and that is the part I quote because I want you to see their other views that contradict yours.Kathi How?For Athanasius and others to say that Jesus is “eternally begotten” and “without a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The majority of Christian trinitarians agree with the creeds.KathiAnd so do I. I have already shown you that I can say that Jesus was begotten from eternity just like we were chosen…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:27)Hi AllAthanasius opposed the Arius belief that Jesus had a beginning before coming in the flesh.Opposition to ArianismFurther information: Arian controversyIn about 319, when Athanasius was a deacon, a presbyter named…[Read more]

I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so; and this is glory to the Father. Seest thou how wherever the Son is glorifi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The term 'eternally begotten' is quite an elusive term, don't you think?Kathi You mean like “God begetting a God” before the ages or time?WJKeith,How many quotes do I have to show you that say “God OF God” before you will get it?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)I would like to find out more from those who use that term as to what specifically that means. It could just mean that during eternity past He was begotten and that lines up with 'begotten before the ages.'  If it doesn't mean that once He was pre-begotten and then…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The majority of Christian trinitarians agree with the creeds.KathiAnd so do I. I have already shown you that I can say that Jesus was begotten from eternity just like we were chosen in him before the foundation of the world.WJWell Keith, if that is what you are…[Read more]