From http://www.catholic.com:Quote The Eternal Sonship of ChristSome Evangelicals, such as John MacArthur, J. Oliver Buswell, and the late Walter Martin, have been abandoning the Trinitarian faith as defined by the First Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325). Their abandonment of orthodox Trinitarianism consists in denying the eternal Sonship of Christ, the…[Read more]

Berkhof on the Eternal Generation of the SonQuote Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids, 1949), pp. 93-94.The eternal generation of the Son. The personal property of the Son is that He is eternally begotten of the Father (briefly called “filiation”), and shares with the father in the spiration of the Spirit. The doctrine of the…[Read more]

John MacArthur has reversed his opinion on eternal Sonship:Quote Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of ChristCode: A235Is it true that John MacArthur has reversed his position on the eternal Sonship of Christ?Yes. Here's a statement from John about his views on that issue.Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ John MacArthurNear the end of his…[Read more]

Hi Irene,I'm trying to keep this on topic here. Maybe you can have this discussion with WJ in the trinity thread. Thanks!

JA,You have received your answer from me and were not ignored. Try to understand from another perspective than your own. You are in a 'Jesus is an angel' rut. I am certainly not alone in understanding the phrase in Psalms 2:7 the way that I do and you have not convinced me otherwise.

Thanks JA for your opinion on 'eternally begotten.' Please spare this topic of personal condescending remarks, there is no need for that. Thanks JA.I am looking for non-members of HN's opinions on this especially for now, hopefully from the early church father's or scholarly writings including sources. I know you don't like to research but it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2010,23:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 11 2010,09:47)Mike,Certainly when that was said would be on the day He was begotten and as we agree with the majority of early church leaders on this, it was before the ages.Hi Kathi,Just so you don't miss it, I just researched this little tidbit:Heb 1:5 has the word “ever” in it.…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 10 2010,22:44)LU,With reference to your quoted passage:Why would someone make a decree in secret?What would be the point?A decree is to be SHOUTED OUT so everyone can hear it.So this is why your man claims it is in secret…because there was NO ONE else to hear it.I put this point out already but it seems that 'Wisdom' made…[Read more]

Martian,You seem to be really wanting help. I know these boards can become addicting and we all have to be careful of that. You could always change your password and intentionally not a password that you would ever remember unless it were written down, or you can have someone in your home do it for you. It takes guts to admit that and I…[Read more]

Pierre,I would like to think that WJ really didn't realize that monogenes was in the nicene creed. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt…that is always a better way! Also, I would really like to keep this topic free of belittling others and believing that is possible since I really am asking for people's, especially non-member's, opinions on…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2010,13:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 10 2010,14:57)Mike,Read what I put up for JA on this page.  You will be interested in that too. Hi Kathi,I DID read it and agree with the part that says “I have begotten you” was said in secret. I've told JA before that I believe it to be the first words the newborn Son of God ever…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 10 2010,06:49)WJ, Id like to apologise to you for argueing like I did in your thread. JA, I'm sorry.LU, I should never have fought back and should have dropped it. So I apologise for not doing so. And if in the future I do the things you say I do, please remind me I'm doing it, that's all I need. A friendly reminder. I will…[Read more]

Augustine:Quote Augustine”In the way that you speak a word that you have in your heart and it is with you . . . that is how God issued the Word, that is to say, how he begot the Son. And you, indeed, beget a word too in your heart, without temporal preparation; God begot the Son outside of time, the Son through whom he created all things”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2010,23:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,22:53)I know Keith, but your view isn't supported as to your translation of monogenes with the early church fathers and the writers of the creeds.KathiAnd just how is that? Because the word “Monogenes” is not in the creeds. The word “Gennao” is.So please show me how I am…[Read more]

keith,When I say the Son had a beginning before creation, I equate that with He was generated before creation. Just like what it says here:Quote Council of Constantinople II”If anyone does not confess that there are two generations of the Word of God, one from the Father before all ages, without time and incorporeally, the other in the last days…[Read more]

Mike,Read what I put up for JA on this page. You will be interested in that too.

I know Keith, but your view isn't supported as to your translation of monogenes with the early church fathers and the writers of the creeds.

Keith,You ought to know that there are scholarly trinitarians that disagree with you because you don't seem to acknowledge that. I don't mind if you post things that you think disagree with me, you do it all the time. Just put it in the right topic. I am not purposely looking especially for those that disagree with you, I just easily come…[Read more]

JA,I think this guy has something of interest to say about “today I have begotten you…”Quote Matthew Henry's commentary on Psalm 2:7 is here, in part:Psalms 2:7-9II. There is a declaration of that decree as far as is necessary for the satisfaction of all those who are called and commanded to yield themselves subjects to this king, and to leave…[Read more]

Keith,Quote For the life of me, I do not understand why you pick sources and imply their quotes mean that Jesus had a beginning before the ages? I am realizing that these kind of statements:” “HE NEVER HAD A BEGINNING, for He was there in the beginning(John 1:1). In His prayer to the Father in the upper room, He spoke of “the glory which I had…[Read more]