Mike,

You said:

Now if only there was such a thing as a “genitive of subordination” in the Greek language.  But there’s not.  It’s simply the genitive form of “every” and the genitive form of “creature”, ie: of every creature.

I just showed you that there is a genitive of subordination. Wallace is a Greek scholar. https://www.amazo…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.

I told you here:

…Another example, If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

The Son is indeed, by very definition, an angel of his and our God, Jehovah. Btw, verse 4 says he BECAME better than the angels to the extent that the name his and our God gave him was better than theirs.

YHVH the Son, was made lower than the angels when He emptied Himself and became a bondservant. After His resurrection, His…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked:

At what point was Jesus ever lesser than the other Davidic kings so that he had to have God place him higher than them? Besides, since there nothing in the scripture that clearly supports your idea, we’re left with a scripture saying that somebody’s own God placed that somebody higher than other persons – which means he wasn’…

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@Proclaimer

You have not addressed Heb 1:10-12, you talked about Heb 1:8-9.

The Father identifies the Son as YHVH here:

Heb 1:10-12

And, “YOU, LORD, (YHVH, the Son) IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,

AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;

AND THEY ALL WILL WEAR OUT LIKE A G…[Read more]

Mike,

See the word “before.”

Mike,

The Father and the Son are one, does not mean one person. Nobody argues this unless they are modalists which I don’t believe anyone here is.

Mike,

You asked:

But the light isn’t above any people living upside-down on the bottom of that ball, right?

The light is above the whole ball.

Another example, If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is not above the g…[Read more]

Mike,

For another:

You said: As Kathi will attest, I’ve been arguing for years that those who want Jesus to be the very God he is the Son of do so because they have a personal desire to place Jesus in a higher position than he placed himself.

You have been arguing this but nobody here has been claiming this.

Mike,

For one:

You asked: If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.

If you put a ball under a ceiling light, the light is above the whole ball.

Hi gadam123,

I remember you from back then. I’m glad that you can see that the NT teaches Jesus as God. Did you notice that it also teaches that he is the Lord of lords?

You are right about there being much confusion. That is good that you are seeking to sort it all out. Unity in truth is worth pursuing. In heaven we will see clearly. This side…[Read more]

Mike,

Proverbs 8 does not mention the word “God” but instead “YHVH.” Wisdom is “possessed” by YHVH, meaning YHVH had wisdom there before His first work. Therefore, wisdom couldn’t be His first work if He existed before His first work. Wisdom was and is a member of YHVH, the Unity, and it was through that member that The YHVH Unity created all t…[Read more]

Mike,

From your favorite translation, the NET Bible.

Mike,

Regarding this passage, think of the “companions” as the other Davidic kings:

…8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”…[Read more]

Great post Berean!

Mike,

This is a great article about those believing in a flat earth which can help you:

Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat — Does It Get Any Dumber Than This?

Mike,

The funny thing is that no matter what translation I use, they all say that Jesus is identified by the Father as YHVH that laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the work of His hands.

Btw, when I hope what I post helps, I really do hope it helps. It would be pretty silly for me to spend so much time to hope it doesn’t h…[Read more]

Mike says: Kathi has been arguing that Jesus is somehow the same God he is the son, servant, lamb and prophet of for the same 12 years

Once again Mike represents my views as one without understanding of them. I have spoken of two persons who make  up the fullness of YHVH. One person is God the Father, another person is the one Lord, Jesus the…[Read more]

Hello gadam123,

You said: But please see the dilemma raised by sister Kathi here. I have gone through her continous struggle to reply all of your arguments but the debate never ends on any topic on Jesus. The reason behind this is the diverse Christological concepts available in our NT writings. One can argue in his own way on Jesus but none can…

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Mike,

You asked: When God said, “Let there be light”, was that light already a part of God’s eternal uncreated essence?

Yes, but it wasn’t light that was physical, it was the spiritual Light that will light up eternity for those who believe.

Furthermore, you claimed this: You need only believe them. “The beginning of the creation by God”, “…

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