Karmarie,The child is still growing after he/she is born. I think you need to re-read the question. If you were going to tell someone that they were the 'biological father' to your unborn child would you have no one to tell that to until the child was born? To me, this is so silly. Surely you wouldn't be telling the guy that he was 'going to…[Read more]

Pierre,I think that this verse:And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. shows that Jehovah is ready to punish and repay, whatever is required. I don't think it is talking about a particular incident that Jehovah punished or repaid Jacob for. Kathi

So Pierre, you weren't the biological father when your wife conceived your children, you were only the biological father after their birth? Do you understand what 'biological father' means? If your wife said that you were the biological father when she found out she was pregnant would you say that you weren't?? Someone had to be.biological…[Read more]

Pierre,You can't just decide to remove verses. The 'He' that is in v. 4 is identified in v. 5.Verse 5 is the end of the sentence beginning in v.4.He (Jacob) wept and sought His (Jehovah's) favor. He (Jacob) found Him(Jehovah) at Bethel And there He(Jehovah) spoke with us, 5 Even the Lord(Jehovah), the God of hosts, The Lord(Jehovah) is His name.…

Thanks Irene for voting! I agree.Kathi

Pierre,Do you see that the 'angel' in this passage is named Jehovah?Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. 3 In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God. 4 Yes, he wrestled with the angel and…[Read more]

Karmarie,I think the one who voted for the third choice was Istari. Ask him. That should be an interesting chat for you.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,16:38)Kathiwere in the bible does it say all those things?Ge 32:22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. Ge 32:23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. Ge 32:24 So Jacob was left alone, and…[Read more]

Pierre,You are welcome, I am glad you retracted it.Kathi

You welcome Istari,I hope it clears this up. I do think that you might wish that you thought more deeply before voting Kathi

Pierre,Read the context of the passage in Hosea and what John Gill's commentary said about it. I agree with him on this.Kathi

Istari,you saidQuote Biological Father' is a term meaning the one through the fertilisation came.It is not the same as 'The Father' as in 'Fatherhood' which is what I believe the question is about.Ok, so at least you can see that a guy is the biological father before the birth because he fertilized the ovum.  I think that you would have voted…[Read more]

Istari,I understand that people speak of pregnant women as expectant mothers or 'mothers to be' but I think you would agree that she is the biological mother of her child at the moment of conception…right? It would be incorrect to think of her as the biological mother 'to be' if she were pregnant, as if she wasn't already the biological mother…[Read more]

Hi William,You know that I agree with you in many things and you have written your beliefs well…kudos. I do question this part though:Quote With the foundation of our reality laid, God was manifested in this new reality as everything our reality could possibly support of the Father (but was far short of the whole). Now this manifestation was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,15:56)And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.”  If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual.  Science can prove it too.The pregnant girl wouldn't say, “you are g…[Read more]

Istari,Sentiment didn't make the father a biological father, conception did which involved his sperm.

And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.”  If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual.  Science can prove it too.

I am reposting this from a post I made last night.found here: https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y294340Here is a passage that says that the 'Angel' that wrestled with Jacob was Jehovah and below it is John Gill's comments about it:Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will…[Read more]

Istari,Good topic. I think when some being is called an angel in scripture, it is often from man's perspective and may simply mean a being not from the physical realm and not necessarily one of many as a kind of being, although I do believe that there is evidence that there are several angels that are a particular kind of common being. There are…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,15:23)Kathithis question of your ;Quote When does the biological father become the biological father? as no bearing on Jesus unless you believe that he is the offspring of Joseph.PierrePierre,This question is about a human biological father and the understanding that the human biological father is a father before…[Read more]