Kerwin,I think you mean 'deity.' Deity, true deity, all who have divine nature and are represented collectively as one deity and/or independently as individuals depending on the context, i.e. the Father and the Son collectively represent one deity and they each are deity in their person although they are not ever independent of each other. In…[Read more]

Irene,Jesus's death and man's death is in regards to the body and not the soul, you have agreed to that already. Man can only kill the body of flesh, not the soul. Jesus's flesh body died but not the spiritual part of Jesus and the spiritual part of man does not die with the body either. Jesus's flesh body was not part of who He was while He…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 26 2011,22:00)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,12:46)BC&JW,The created angels shine because of being in the presence of the glory of the Lord.  Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the Lord.29 Now it came about when Moses came down from Mount Si′nai that the two tablets of the Testimony were i…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,13:38)Karmarie,That doesn't answer the question.  Is one true and one not true?Haha Kathi,I think this answers that…John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.And I also like this verse;John 17:21 That…[Read more]

Irene,Yes there is a point to this. The deity of Christ did not die, only the flesh of Christ died…the deity of Christ continued on.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:32)Mike,The new matter was new and didn't evolve or something like that.  It was created by God not begotten by God.So this matter came from within God, since before it there was nothing BUT God.  And this matter was created by God but not by means of begetting, right?  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:23)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:34)Mike,I don't make it different.  The men killed the body only, not the soul.  Just like the verse said.And this is true of Jesus and everyone else who has ever died, right?So how again is HIS death different than anyone who died before him or since?mikeMike,I didn't s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:35)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:57)Mike,Many have scriptures, the Jews for example, and don't believe that the Messiah is the Son of God. Kathi, I won't argue this “nit-picky” point with you.  I know that the belief that Jesus is the Son OF God is the foundation on which Christ built his Church.  This a…[Read more]

BC&JW,The created angels shine because of being in the presence of the glory of the Lord. Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the Lord.

Karmarie,There are two moderators here and you can report 'abusive posts' to the one that isn't involved in the debate. That is one way to look after another here. You should be sure that one person isn't as guilty as the other though. One should be above reproach or both are probably guilty.

BC&JW,No those angels in Rev 18:1 and EZ 43:2 are not Jehovah the Son.

Irene,So was the spirit of Jesus ever killed?Kathi

Irene,Did you know that the Romans did not kill the soul of Jesus, only the body?

So Pierre,Are you saying that Jesus is not deity but acts as deity only because He acts as a spokesman for God like Moses did?

There are evil spirits all over who can imitate the deceased and they can be very convincing. God doesn't want us communicating with the dead.

Irene,Thanks for your answer. So then you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. So Jesus became divine meaning He wasn't always divine but is after He was resurrected, is that what you are saying?Blessings to you,Kathi

Karmarie,That doesn't answer the question. Is one true and one not true?

Karmarie,I wasn't responding to how he changed anything. I didn't know how he changed anything. I was just 'good post-ing' him about his thoughts about the word 'firstborn.' The changing of words I don't know anything about.I think that Istari is doing much better and if it lasts even when taunted, it will be a good example. Isn't it…[Read more]

Karmarie,Thanks again. So I am confused. If you believe in God the Father and in God the Son, is one true and one not true?

Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,16:19)Kathi,What was 'Good' about Mikeboll's post?Do you know what he was saying – I think not else you wouldn't have said 'Good post' – it wasn't, he was being deliberately deceitful by changing what I wrote concerning what I wrote – so if that is 'Good' to you then I feel sorry for anything you believe!!Istari,I…[Read more]