JESUS PRE-EXISTED AS THE SON OF GOD THE FATHER!!

Heb 1:1 On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

And what does the Father say that His SON did during…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

I hope you find your way out of your spirit of doubt and enjoy the whole Jewish Bible.

Best wishes, LU

Hi Adam,

You said:

But the Historians are critical about the person’s fate who was crucified as a Roman criminal.

Is there a topic for that?

You asked:

The question here is whether El Elyon(Most High God) had been merged with LORD(Yahweh) in the later texts of Hebrew Bible? If so when this change took place?

We still find these traces in Deut 3…

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Amen Berean,

Regarding this:

Hi Berean,

Can you see that the Father is identifying the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands in Heb 1:10-12?

 

Hi LU

TOTALY LU

For me They have the same divine NAME: YHVH

EXAMPLE:
In the PSALMS 24 who identifies The Son as the King of glory We can see…

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Adam,

Deuteronomy 21:22-23

22If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, 23you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse. You must not defile the land that the LORD your God is giving y…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

It uses the PLURAL form of “theos” which is not spelled t h e o s. The plural form used is  “t h e o i.” See here:

That shows you that “t h e o s” is not like the word “sheep” which is the same spelling whether it is plural or not. If “theos” were like the word sheep, why is it spelled differently as “t h e o i?”

Hi Adam,

You said:

I can’t get any thing from this group called Messianic Jews who are purely Trinitarian Christians in disguise of Jewishness.

I think it would be very wise for you to look to people who are Jewish that didn’t used to follow Jesus as the Messiah but changed to become followers of Jesus as the Messiah.

Also, I am not convinced t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I will ask you a third time:

Regarding this:

@Proclaimer,

I think we are having a communication issue. Your post about plurals and singulars compare the word like “sheep” which is spelled the same way whether it is singular or plural, with the word “theos” and then go on to say how theos is plural in John 10:34. It is true that th…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I will ask you again (second time).

@Proclaimer

You said:

Read my post again. I’ll state it in another way. You have both bought into this doctrine as being what the New Testament teaches.
You do not know what the trinity doctrine teaches for you to say this. The Holy Spirit is a third person in that doctrine. When have I said t…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

Did you ask this question:

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?

If you did, why would all it take to become God, to just call yourself God? Isn’t a better question to ask “When does God the Father call Jesus God?”

Answer…Heb 1:10-12 I know that you see that the Father identified Jesus as YHVH there. You have made…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Can you see that the Father is identifying the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands in Heb 1:10-12?

@Proclaimer

Regarding this:

@Proclaimer,

I think we are having a communication issue. Your post about plurals and singulars compare the word like “sheep” which is spelled the same way whether it is singular or plural, with the word “theos” and then go on to say how theos is plural in John 10:34. It is true that the root word of “theos”…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

You said:

Read my post again. I’ll state it in another way. You have both bought into this doctrine as being what the New Testament teaches.

You do not know what the trinity doctrine teaches for you to say this. The Holy Spirit is a third person in that doctrine. When have I said that?

Hi Adam,

You said:

I always like your positive attitude. Yes the NT certainly talks the divinity of Jesus.

Thank you. The identity of YHVH as applied to Jesus is certainly in the NT.

@Proclaimer,

You say:

Greek sentence construction affirms that if a noun doesn’t have a preceding article, (THE) it can be read as an adjective (a predicate adjective); and if such a noun does have a preceding article it should be considered a noun (a predicate nominative).

Please tell me what your source is for the above.

@Proclaimer,

I think we are having a communication issue. Your post about plurals and singulars compare the word like “sheep” which is spelled the same way whether it is singular or plural, with the word “theos” and then go on to say how theos is plural in John 10:34. It is true that the root word of “theos” is translated as plural in John 10 but…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

You said to Proclaimer:

Which verse you are talking about in fact LU was referring the whole chapter 1 of Hebrews here. You just quoted only verse 8. Please check the whole chapter on Jesus the Son and his role in God’s creation as assigned by the Hebrews writer. And receives worship like God. I am quoting the NT scriptures only.

I was w…[Read more]

Adam,

The NT was written to all people, including unbelieving Jews and Gentiles.

Have you read or listened to anything Rabbi Jonathan Bernis has written or spoke about?

You might want to look at his books and videos.

I hope it helps, LU

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Adam,

The Bible for the Hebrews is the OT AND the NT. It is not just the OT. The story of the NT was written to the Jew first and then also to the Gentiles.

Blessings, LU

@Proclaimer,

You said:

Jesus is not the creator, God is.

Do you think that the Son was just a passive bystander during the creation process? That is not what the Father says of the Son. He identifies the Son as YHVH who laid out the foundation of the world and the heavens are the works of the Son’s hands. Heb 1.