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Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
For one:
You asked: If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.
If you put a ball under a ceiling light, the light is above the whole ball.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Hi gadam123,
I remember you from back then. I’m glad that you can see that the NT teaches Jesus as God. Did you notice that it also teaches that he is the Lord of lords?
You are right about there being much confusion. That is good that you are seeking to sort it all out. Unity in truth is worth pursuing. In heaven we will see clearly. This side…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
Proverbs 8 does not mention the word “God” but instead “YHVH.” Wisdom is “possessed” by YHVH, meaning YHVH had wisdom there before His first work. Therefore, wisdom couldn’t be His first work if He existed before His first work. Wisdom was and is a member of YHVH, the Unity, and it was through that member that The YHVH Unity created all t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,

From your favorite translation, the NET Bible.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
Regarding this passage, think of the “companions” as the other Davidic kings:
…8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Great post Berean!
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
This is a great article about those believing in a flat earth which can help you:
Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat — Does It Get Any Dumber Than This?
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
The funny thing is that no matter what translation I use, they all say that Jesus is identified by the Father as YHVH that laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the work of His hands.
Btw, when I hope what I post helps, I really do hope it helps. It would be pretty silly for me to spend so much time to hope it doesn’t h…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike says: Kathi has been arguing that Jesus is somehow the same God he is the son, servant, lamb and prophet of for the same 12 years
Once again Mike represents my views as one without understanding of them. I have spoken of two persons who make up the fullness of YHVH. One person is God the Father, another person is the one Lord, Jesus the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Hello gadam123,
You said: But please see the dilemma raised by sister Kathi here. I have gone through her continous struggle to reply all of your arguments but the debate never ends on any topic on Jesus. The reason behind this is the diverse Christological concepts available in our NT writings. One can argue in his own way on Jesus but none can…
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
You asked: When God said, “Let there be light”, was that light already a part of God’s eternal uncreated essence?
Yes, but it wasn’t light that was physical, it was the spiritual Light that will light up eternity for those who believe.
Furthermore, you claimed this: You need only believe them. “The beginning of the creation by God”, “…
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
Do you think that God, the Father can bring forth a Son from His own eternal uncreated essence?
or
Do you believe that the Son can only come forth from essence that did not exist at one point and thus created essence?
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 11 months ago
Good words, Berean and Danny!
Thanks again for the uplifting music Berean, I got to see Don Moen in person years ago. It was a fantastic concert.
God bless you two! LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Hebrews 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 11 months ago
@Proclaimer and all,
If YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is one God and one Lord and they happen to be two persons, then the YHVH who is God, is one person WITH the YHVH who is Lord, another person. And then, if one of those two persons happens to be the Father of the other person, there would be a distinction in authority within…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 4 years, 11 months ago
@Proclaimer
Are you ok?
The post that I want addressed is on this page dated March 29, 2021 at 5:10 pm #869994.
It is really unlike you to ask so many times to remind you what passage that I have been waiting for you to address. I am sincere in my concern. I hope you are ok.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
Plural majesty is a possibility which could mean the singular word in a fuller sense. The fullness of God is Father, Son and Spirit.
YHWH created the world. YHWH is God of gods and Lord of lords.
Jesus is the Lord of lords. All things were made through Him.Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
Regarding the “s” for singular here:

The “2ms” mean second person, male, singular.” That is applying to the word “your”, not to the word “creators.”I believe that is correct from my very limited understanding of the Hebrew.
I don’t have the time to deal with the rest of your post since I am far from home and busy with extended famil…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
In Ecc:12:13, the Hebrew word translated as “God” is plural.

Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
”Makers” is plural here:

and here:

Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
The plural is legit as per the Hebrew word, why most translators didn’t translate it as plural, I can’t say.
Btw, the creators are together as the one God in the fullest sense, different persons not different gods.

That “p” in “mpc” stands for plural.
Gill’s Exposition:
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,…. Or “Creators”…
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