Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,23:40)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,22:45)Quote (t8 @ May 21 2011,17:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.I wholeheartedly agree.Mike,If our human nature…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 21 2011,18:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.Hi t8,I believe that when one has as a divine nature as their original and essential…[Read more]

Pierre,That's right, Christ was there before the heavens were made. The Bible says there are three heavens, I wonder where the Father and Son were before the heavens were created.Kathi

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it.  Begotten means born, and He was born as a Human, that's my poin…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,03:44)Quote (david @ May 21 2011,16:51)I have a question for you Paul.  When were the angels created?Scripture does not expressly declare it, but my assumption is at the commencement of the creation week. Since they are the “hosts of heaven” (Luke 2:13) they must have been brought into existence with or following the…[Read more]

Irene,Whether 9 months is a long period of time or not, if it were only 1 month, that would demonstrate that you existed before you were born, that was the point.I know He was a spirit being, He also was the exact representation of the nature of God. No other spirit being can say that except God, the Father.Phillipians 2:6-7 shows us the Son's…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture. The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok? I was asking Irene for her response in case you didn't notice I would like to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 20 2011,20:13)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,16:47)t8 (and Paul you might be interested in this too),Good post, the early church fathers and many Christian commentaries consider Prov 8 to be speaking about the Son of God also.  It is probably speaking about wisdom as found in the Son and not wisdom as the Son.John Wesley wrote…[Read more]

Irene,Did you exist within the womb before you were actually born from the womb? Wasn't your heart beating long before your mother brought you forth through birth? Maybe the Son existed within His Father before He was actually born also and maybe He 'always' existed within His Father until He was born since the Father has always been…[Read more]

Dennison, (David you might be interested in this too)I totally agree with your last post there. Here is an example of someone 'creating' through another person and that other person actually does most of the work.1Now when Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, she became jealous of her sister; and she said to Jacob, “Give me children, or e…[Read more]

t8 (and Paul you might be interested in this too),Good post, the early church fathers and many Christian commentaries consider Prov 8 to be speaking about the Son of God also. It is probably speaking about wisdom as found in the Son and not wisdom as the Son.John Wesley wrote this:8:1Wisdom – It is a great question what this wisdom is. Some…[Read more]

Hi Guys,Eternity has to have a sequence of events within it, which would give a sense of time different than what we know because is not governed by the sun and moon but in some other way. There are no nights in eternity but I believe that the scriptures speak of days in eternity. I put those verses up a long time ago and can't recall them all…[Read more]

Hi ya Mike,Yes, the Cayman Islands are appealing but the guys in England seem like they are having a blast.you said:Quote I agree the Son existed before the creation of everything else. But the Son was created by God first, and then all other things were created by God through His Son. Many scriptures support my understanding.The scriptures that…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I am busy with end of the school year stuff and at the same time, I have three sons that are all over seas in different places, two in the UK and one on Cayman's Island…and yes, I'm jealous, ha! So, in one way I'm busier and in another way not so. Maybe Istari will see my two boys in the UK singing with their guitars on some street…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I found this today and thought it was a good way to show the two natures of Jesus and that the divinity of Jesus did not die but the humanity of Jesus did. You don't need to comment on it, I just wanted to put it here before I lost it:An Exposition of The MysteriesHe was laid in a manger and wrapped in swaddling clothes, as Man;and the…[Read more]

Here, Mike, is an excerpt from the account of the martyrdom of Barsamya, the Bishop of Edessa…Barsamya said: Thy mind is greatly blinded, O judge, and so also is that of the emperors who gave thee authority; nor are the things that are manifest seen by you; nor do ye perceive that lo! the whole creation worships Christ; and thou sayest to me, Do…[Read more]

Another…from the ancient Syriac writings, the teachings of the apostle, (interesting to read the whole thing from the link below, it talks about gathering on Sunday among other things):And, when they heard these things from the Disciples, those sons of the priests, all of them alike, cried out before the whole company of the apostles: We confess…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Here is an ancient, historical writing of Addaeus, an apostle of Christ who witnessed Christ performing His miracles first hand.Addaeus said: I will not hold my peace from declaring this; since for this very purpose was I sent hither, that I might speak to and teach every one who is willing to believe, even as thou. Assemble me tomorrow…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I've been busy with a Science fair and a wedding and typical end of the school year stuff.  I'm sure you know what I mean you said in your above post:Quote John 1 makes it clear that Jesus is the SON OF God.  Any son who has EVER been begotten was also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist.  That is the law of nature that God Himself cr…[Read more]