Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2011,13:20)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,23:00)1 John 1:3what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.Why does it not say that our fellowship is with the Father through His Son if we are…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I think the context makes it clear that the words are accurately translated in the document and shouldn't be how you suggest. I tend to think that they did baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. They simply mentioned baptizing in the name of Jesus because of emphasis. The Jews already believed in the Father…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Kathi, do you think we need to rewrite the scriptures as I have done above? Because using a singular pronoun to refer to TWO persons does not make sense to any rational person.Mike, the word Godhead is a singular word. Many words are like that, for instance with the word 'government' which as you know is made up of many, I…[Read more]

Thank you Paul, Keith, and Shimmer!God bless,Kathi

From the ancient Syriac documents:The Teaching of Simon Cephas in the City of Rome (who we know as 'Peter' the disciple):In the third(4) year of Claudius Caesar, Simon Cephas departed from Antioch to go to Rome. And as he passed on he preached in the divers countries the word of our Lord. And, when he had nearly arrived there,(5) many had heard of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 27 2011,18:53)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,07:08)Keith,Sometimes it is the Father who speaks to us and sometimes it is the Son, we can call either one of them 'Lord' and say the 'Lord spoke to me.'  Usually I just know that the impression or thought came from one of them but not sure which one and I don't know if it matters…if…[Read more]

Keith,Sometimes it is the Father who speaks to us and sometimes it is the Son, we can call either one of them 'Lord' and say the 'Lord spoke to me.' Usually I just know that the impression or thought came from one of them but not sure which one and I don't know if it matters…if it did then that would be made plain, imo. One would not say one…[Read more]

Thank you Richard for sharing your story. I'm sure that it took a lot of guts to do so. So thankful you are set free,Kathi

t8,I do appreciate your concern, I really do.  I don't call the Godhead by the name 'trinity.'  So your list needs a different approach.  If you have read my really long post to you on the previous page then you will see that we need to use context to dictate which person of the Godhead is being spoken about or is doing the speaking.  It is not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2011,02:43)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,02:05)The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son?  If you don't…[Read more]

Hi Paul,Thank you!I appreciate you stepping in,Kathi

Hi Keith,I know you are busy, thanks for your response.you said:Quote One Deity means “One God” not a collection of Gods that are seperate beings.Strongs # 2320 theotesdefinition…deity, GodheadGodhead is made up of more than one.Quote As far as the Holy Spirit, there are no scriptures that say the “One Spirit” is a combination of two Spirits.Is…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 26 2011,16:21)Kathi,Start with God – then adjust to Man.Don't start with Man and claim God must be likewise. This is how you started saying that God is Like a Woman… !!How do you say the thing that creates is like the thing it created?No, but the thing created can have qualities of that which created it!You may just have…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,19:01)An image of God cannot be God that is an oxymoron.God is the source.There is no one true God that is not the source and creator of all.The one true God means what it says although the tendency for man is to change that, God wrote this into the first commandment.An image of God may have qualities of God however,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,19:56)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!I do.

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,19:00)and thus being called wisdom from God also places him as a candidate for the wisdom that was the craftsman at his side.Or the wisdom as it was in the craftsman who, if the Son, is called God. The Son is at the Father's side. God as the Son was at the Father's side. THEY are inseparable and represent one united…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:40)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,15:56)Hi t8,There are no articles in the Greek in this verse however they are added to the translation.1 Cor 1;24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.I think people make more out of the article than they should.  For…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,16:00)Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok?  I was a…[Read more]

Keith,As I PM'd you…I will move our discussions over here to our one on one discussion thread in order to keep things together.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y297520You may respond or not but I just need a place where I can see all that we say from this point. Thanks for understanding, Kathi

From the 'Kathy' thread I said this:Quote The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son? If you don't believe in the true and proper…[Read more]