You are welcome Mike

I don't think you know what trinitarians believe and they believe differently amongst themselves, anyway. Why don't you list what you are asking according to what you think makes a trinitarian, a trinitarian.Thank,Kathi

Ok Mike, it seems that I could not even prove that the Father was eternal to you so It is fine with me if we move on.  From now, maybe we should just ask for a good reason for the other to consider another point of view and not ask for proof.  How about that?I would like to explore the idea of the nature of man and the nature of God through what s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011,21:03)I'm sorry Kathi,I fail to see where I attributed the words “a god” to you.Mike,You used the words “we know” when addressing me. Who else was part of the 'we' if only you were posting to me?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011,21:08)I know.  I'll try from now on to use “GOD” for GOD Almighty”, “God” for Jesus, and “god” for Satan and the others.That way Jesus is not on the same plane as his own GOD, but is distinguished above the other gods that GOD is the GOD of.  Does that work for you?Thank you Mike. It helps more, imo, to d…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2011,17:09)There is one God the Father. He is the true God.Theos as applied to anyone else, (including Jesus) is not meant to be taken as the eternal one true God.Theos has other legitimate uses, just as adam and devil do. But the one true theos is applied to the Father exclusively just as there is one Devil and one Adam. (Yes…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,16:22)Mike,There is no 'the' in 1c. and 'beget' is not there either, nor is there an 'a' btw.The God beget a God.  correct, imoThe God never beget a god.  also correct.The God only beget one God who is His Son.  also correct.Mike,This is where you were deceptive.  Regarding your response to the above quoted post of…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 30 2011,04:37)Thanks Kathi.And I like that song/poem that you put.———————-To anyone, if you think that Jesus is just a god among other gods, or whatever you think, and should be mentioned just briefly at the end of each prayer, then look at this…Acts 7:59They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, “Lord…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2011,09:43)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,23:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,18:26)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:28)Istari,People have been teaching the eternal Son who was begotten before the ages since the early church.But not any people who actually partook in writing the scriptures, right?  Wrong, Peter…[Read more]

Mike, If you were all about the truth now, you wouldn't keep implying that I agree with the 'a god' idea you want to spin off on us. So when you lie about what I say, then don't tell me you are 'addicted to truth.'If you were truthful you would not keep saying something that you know is NOT true.I should know if THAT what you say is true or not…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 30 2011,12:31)Kathi!  This is what Jesus saysJhn 14:28   Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.Also a Son did not always exist.  Jesus had a beginning which you don't address, and gave me an ar…[Read more]

Istari and readers of his supposed declaration of what I say here,It would take so much of my time to unscramble the web of Istari's misconcepts of what I say and Istari's misunderstanding of the two natures of Christ. Just suffice this to say to the other readers, when Istari tries to convey what I understand, just don't take the time to read.…[Read more]

Mike,Eve did not create her son otherwise she would be her son's creator and we know that she is merely a creature.  The Bible says that the creature is not the creator.Rom 1:24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a…[Read more]

Mike,1 Corinthians 1:10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12Now I mean t…[Read more]

Mike,I am a Christian. That's it!

Quote (Istari @ May 29 2011,04:20)Kathi and All,Romans 9:5… '…who is over all, Eternally blessed God, Amen'Does anyone think that this statement is pertaining to Jesus? How?Jesus, even if 'called' God – Mighty One – CANNOT POSSIBLY BE 'Eternal God' because his reign as 'God' is only 'UNTIL ALL THINGS ARE PUT UNDER HIS FEET'.Then he hands the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 29 2011,05:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,13:33)Oh I see now.  Jesus DOES actually HAVE human nature even though scripture says he “partook” of it.    But we won't acutally HAVE divine nature because scripture says we only partake of it?Seems to me like a double standard to further a doctrine.Good post too.Really, t8…good po…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,18:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:22)There is no 'the' in 1c.Correct.  That's why we know Jesus is not THE God, but A god.  Obviously you are misconstruing or misunderstanding my words to even say that and I believe you are doing it on purpose. read what I say about the 'a'There is no 'the' in 1c. and &…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,18:26)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:28)Istari,People have been teaching the eternal Son who was begotten before the ages since the early church.But not any people who actually partook in writing the scriptures, right?  Wrong, Peter partook in writing the scriptures and I showed you the Syriac document of what…[Read more]

Mike,They were however satisfied with Addaeus' answer weren't they. And, bottom line what Addaeus has said is in direct and utter conflict with the way you tried to mishandle scripture by changing words, adding words, misunderstanding words, etc. Addaeus was told by the Lord to shake off the dust at the doorstep and walk away because of those…[Read more]