Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,19:39)Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,18:08)So Mike, you should be able to see that both YHVH and the Son are from the same time.But “arch” is used in Gen 1:1 also.  Is the earth also “from the same time” as Jehovah and Jesus?Jesus' disciples were said to have been with him “from arche”.  Are they also “from the s…[Read more]

Mike,Whether it was a first coming or second coming, He was and still is the God/Man.So regarding Micah 5:2 and Psalms 90:2, you are admitting that Micah does not tell us that the Son had a beginning of existence, right. So why did you use Micah 5 as a defense for your 'creation of the son' theory?

Mike,Wow, you were wrong, you should also confess that YHVH is said to be from the eon also.And what don't you get about the Messiah 'according to the flesh?' Of course He depended on the Lord's strength.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 04 2011,21:43)Istari, do you anything to offer us besides this juvenile campaign of invective?In another thread, I put this challenge to you:Quote By my count you asked 10 questions here and I'm guessing the post took you about 10 minutes to write. At 10 minutes a question it's going to take me over an hour and a half to…[Read more]

Istari,You should let Is 1:18 debate your Christology and you can tell him all about it. I will bump his challenge to you after I post this. As for me, I think you don't know what a true firstborn is and the fractal scriptures that support it. Firstborns are considered holy to the Lord, the firstborn is the first of the father's procreative…[Read more]

Mike,Habakkuk 1:12Are You not from everlasting, O LORD, my God, my Holy One? We will not die. You, O LORD, have appointed them to judge; And You, O Rock, have established them to correct.the Apostolic translation:Are you not from the beginning (arche), O LORD (YHVH)…So Mike, you should be able to see that both YHVH and the Son are from the same…[Read more]

Mike,Micah 5:2 does not in anyway speak about the beginning of His existence being from the beginning, from 'eons'It may be talking about when He was begotten, but this is not about a beginning of existence, just his goings forth is from the beginning, from eons. YHVH is also said to be from the 'eon.'Psalms 93:2In the Apostolic translation: from…[Read more]

Prove it then Pierre, or don't say such things!

Mike,I'll show you where arche' is used with YHVH. First look at the Apostolic Interlinear for Micah 5:2:Micah 5:2 And you, Bethlehem, of the house of Ephratah, are very few being among thousands of Judah; from out of you to me shall come forth the one being for ruler of Israel; and his goings forth were from the beginning (arche'), from .NASB…[Read more]

Mike,'Arche' is used for YHVH, elsewhere. Did you realize that?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,10:22)Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,23:45)Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,02:16)Hi Kathi,Quote Dennison,Actually, I believe the Father and Son are separate persons of one Godhead.That doesnt make any sense to me? so your stating that two persons become one person, or make up the concept of what is God. or what?Quote God, the Father is omnipotent because of the fullness of the Father…[Read more]

You would benefit to dwell on what it really means to be the literal Son of God, Mike. Then you would understand better.

t8,I didn't ask you to read a 'book,' just some documents which are 1-3 pages long, heck, just read the three that I have put up so far. I would hardly call that a 'book.' Also, I would hardly describe me as bouncing around from one thing to another. Geesh! I have been expressing that Jesus was the literal Son of God since day one here. I'm…[Read more]

Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say that YHVH had a beginning also, which we know He didn't. Good job!Time to get…[Read more]

Mike,If Micah 5:2 is teaching that the Son had a beginning, then Habakkuk 1:12 is saying the same about YHVH. The same word is used in each verse.Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of…[Read more]

Good discernment Paul. That debate would be interesting! Do you think he has the courage…hmmm.

Mike,You don't seem to be able to discern between the man of the one who was both God and man and between the God of the one who was both God and man. It was the man that needed the power, etc., the Son had the power of God by nature.Quote You are putting limitations on the One who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them -…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,00:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority of people getting saved, healed, and…[Read more]