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Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Irene,Sorry you are having pain from your surgery. I hope you feel better soon.As you can see Jehovah God is two persons, one as the Father, one as the Son. You can't have one without the other.Love, Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Pastry @ June 08 2011,18:33)Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2011,16:39)Quote (Pastry @ May 30 2011,12:31)Kathi! This is what Jesus saysJhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.Also a Son did not always e…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 15 years, 2 months ago
Irene,I believe these men because they are saying what I believe the Lord had shown me before I ever saw what these men had written.I am glad that you realize that your beliefs do not line up with the apostle's writings here. It is important that you see that. Now it is up to you to dig deeper to see if they are saying what lines up with…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2011,17:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,12:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 06 2011,16:41)Pierre,Are you waiting to love others when their doctrine lines up with what you think. I think that is a little backwards. Try loving first and let God take care of the rest. Foster a spirit of understanding within yo…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,14:14)t8,I didn't ask you to read a 'book,' just some documents which are 1-3 pages long, heck, just read the three that I have put up so far. I would hardly call that a 'book.' Also, I would hardly describe me as bouncing around from one thing to another. Geesh! I have been expressing that Jesus was the lit…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Trinitarian murderers? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2011,18:34)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 06 2011,02:49)The council of Nicea dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ. Over a century earlier the use of the term “Trinity” (“trinitas” in Latin) could be found in the writings of Origen (185-254) and Tertullian (160-220), and a general notion of a “divine three”, in…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Mike,you said:Quote “Common sense” tells me to believe what's written, and not make up my own conclusion or words just because they speak what my ears are aching to hear.Good, then you can see that God is from everlasting to everlasting. That's a start.NASB ©Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Mike,you said:Quote From our own point in time, we could rightfully say that Abraham was from “owlam” and his son Isaac was from “owlam”, right?What part of those two statements would tell our common sense that the “days of antiquity” that Abraham was from must be EARLIER days of antiquity than the days of antiquity that Isaac was from?Yes, common…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Pierre,Yes, I do, actually, now that you asked.

Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2011,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,20:36)Ps 90:2 Before the mountains themselves were born,Or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land,Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.I don't know why you can't see this verse talking about Him being from eternity…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Pierre,Are you waiting to love others when their doctrine lines up with what you think. I think that is a little backwards. Try loving first and let God take care of the rest. Foster a spirit of understanding within yourself of why people believe certain things. Everyone is at a different place in their walk and we all see things dimly. Love…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Preach it Keith…preach it!Dennison,You ought to try to find the good in things…it is a much better way to live!I'm sure that satan would want you bashing churches.I'm also sure that God would not want you bashing churches.So you choose who you will serve.This country was founded on the desire for freedom of religion. Many denominations are a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Prayer for Others in the forum Prayer & Advice 15 years, 2 months ago
You are welcome Irene…I was happy to lift you up in prayer! Glad all went well for the little German girl
Love, KathiLightenup replied to the topic Prayer for Others in the forum Prayer & Advice 15 years, 2 months ago
Hey Georg,I am so glad to hear it! Irene you should be home by now. Many of us were praying for you. Get your rest and follow your doctor's orders
Love, KathiLightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 15 years, 2 months ago
Pierre,It just goes to show you that you can have a Bible and not know everything in it.

Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 15 years, 2 months ago
Pierre,Learn about the 70, (in some documents it says 72) sent out ones here:1Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come. 2And He was saying to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Mike,Quote But the fact is that I don't know of anywhere in the whole of scripture where Jehovah is actually said to be “from eternity”, do you? It is commonly believed and taught because of many misuses of “owlam” and “aion”, but I seriously don't think a single scripture that actually says it is there in the Bible.Ps 90:2 Before the mountains…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Mike,The word origin is according to the place where one is from, not the beginning of their existence. In other words, His origin in light of where He is from. He is from days of old. Is 'days of old' the name of His Father? YHVH is also from days of old, maybe they have the same father, eh?Also, you didn't answer my question about if you…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 15 years, 2 months ago
Pierre,Jesus said that if people did not receive the apostle's words about Him, who were MEN btw and there were 72 of them, one of them being Addeaus whose document is on this thread, then they should shake off the dust off their feet and walk away from them.What did he say that scriptures don't agree with?Addaeus' words are…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship? in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 2 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2011,10:25)Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:45)The Father was not able to offer eternal salvation apart from His Son, was He?You are confusing the fact that God CHOSE a particular way and vessle through which to save us with your mistaken view that God WAS NOT ABLE to do it any other way.Kathi, consider that Jesus…[Read more]
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