Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 02 2011,08:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,12:38)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 01 2011,19:06)Even though the Church in Biblical terms is a  She, to me it is not.Hi Irene,In the passage to which Kathi refers, the KJV calls the church “IT”, not “SHE” like some of the other translations.The Greek language, like many languages, has…[Read more]

Mike,The 'autos' is the 'He' in the passage…see that it is in the nominative case which means that it is the pronoun that is the subject and not the direct or indirect object of the sentence. The 'church' is in the accusative case which is another way of saying that the word is the direct object and receiving the action of the verb.Eph 5:27…[Read more]

Hi t8,you said:Quote And one of the precious promises is we will be like him. Our bodies will be transformed into a body like his. First is the carnal, then the spiritual. He calls us brothers. As sons, we are given the privileges that go with being sons.Being adopted doesn't mean that God doesn't love us any less, or that we end up somehow a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2011,19:33)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,21:16)Gen 40:1Pharoah is called adown, not adonaysee here:http://classic.net.bible.org/verse.p….verse=1Then check it in Biblos.com, for NETBible doesn't specify the plurality or singularity of the word “adon” in any scripture…………from what I could tell when I put this…[Read more]

t8,When we see the word 'theos,' it can mean different things. The highest meaning, imo, would apply only to the person or persons who have always existed. I believe that two always existed, the Father and the Son. The Son existed within the Father and was begotten from the Father which would make the Father greater in position but not in…[Read more]

Happy belated birthday William!Love to you,Kathi

Irene,Don't bother looking for a post that isn't going to be there.Kathi

Irene,Quote Kathi believes that Jesus always existed in the mind of Hos Father.Where have I ever said that?  Please stop it Irene, you ought not to be making judgements and claims like you have been.Just in the last few days you said:The church is never called a 'she' but the church is.Quote Because nobody calls the Church a He or a She do they? fr…[Read more]

I agree Jack.

Matt 10:33 “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

Really Keith, you wrote that?? That was awesome!Happy Birthday!

Irene,you say:Quote you have no Scripture to support that theory…..You have seen the scripture, written the scripture, recited the scripture, pointed others to the scripture, yet you do not understand the scripture…six simple words:John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”One unity, not one being, not one person…but one unity. Just as we are…[Read more]

Great insight Jack! Another compound unity spoken of as a 'he' and a 'him.' You are right, that compound unity is everywhere and it seems that all compound unities have a name like the 'one new man.'I'm not sure that the compound unity is the image of God but maybe the compound unity is the 'oneness' of God and is meant to be the oneness of the…[Read more]

Pierre,The Father is one God.The Son is one Lord.Together they make Jehovah our God…one unity.

t8,Quote Therefore, anyone who teaches that YHWH is visible is a direct contradiction of John and Paul's teachings quoted above. I am not teaching that.  The Son can make appearances to represent YHVH and still no one has seen the fullness of YHVH, both Father and Son together, nor have they seen the Father alone.   The scriptures never say that n…[Read more]

t8Jesus is THE image, not 'an' image.  Quote E.g., if you are OF God, does that make you God? No. Likewise the image of the invisible God or the Messenger of the LORD is/are not God. You are incorrect…replace the word God with 'man.'If you are 'of' man, does that make you man…yes.Genesis 5:3 NASWhen Adam had lived one hundred and thirty…[Read more]

Pierre,What you put up doesn't disagree with what I have said.

Irene,If you are going to make a statement about what Ryrie says, it should be accurate.  Btw, your verses in Psalms do not have the word “Father” in it.I know that the Father is the Most High God as God of gods.  The unity of the Father and the Son would be the most high God AND Lord.  So, Jehovah (the unity) would be the most high…the most hi…[Read more]

t8 and others, see my reply on the new thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y305754

To all,If I have outstanding questions that are related to this topic, please put them here and I will get to them, Lord willing. I am going to focus on this thread for now since I am getting sorta busy. Thanks!Kathi