Young's Literal Translation2 Thess 1:12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and Lord Jesus Christ.

Pierre,you asked:Quote was Christ a man when he was created ?The Son was not created but was begotten.The flesh body that the Son took on was created but the Son that took it on already existed.Kathi

Ok Pierre thanks, do you have a link to where that particular quote is in that commentary?You already asked me if God was a man, remember? I have answered you.Kathi

Irene,Well that is a start.you said in your post above:Quote Their name for their unity is the Godhead and not Jehovah.Tell me where it says that their name for their unity is 'the Godhead.' Please show me your scriptures. Also, please tell me who is meant by 'their' in your statement.Thanks,Kathi

Mike,Think, why would Jehovah be the most high over all the earth?  He is both the Father and the Son, the God of gods and the Lord of lords.  It was the Father part of Jehovah that was the Father of the Son of God and the one who sent the Son part of Jehovah to be the Messiah. The two persons within the one unity have different roles.  The un…[Read more]

Mike,Quote And Kathi EMBRACES the false idea that there are more than one “God kind” of spirit being, and therefore more than one God.I am not embracing any false idea…I am embracing the truth of what the begotten God means. How can God beget God and there only be one God?Kathi

Irene,Compound unities are referred to by the singular pronoun and can have a name by which they are called. That is what Jehovah is, the name of the compound unity. You admit that Jesus was with the Father at creation and even put up Isaiah 45:18:Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth a…[Read more]

Irene,Compound unities go by one name and within compound unities there is often found one that is head over another. That in no way takes away from the fact of the compound unity. You deny the unity of the Father and the Son. There are so many verses in the NT that link the two names. Maybe I will make a scripture database with those verses so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2011,15:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:36)Mike,I am concerned and have been for a long time to see you twist things around.  I have shown you even today how you write two opposing statements, and now you make it sound like I agree that God created the firstborn when I distinctly wrote:Quote And, no God did not…[Read more]

Mike,A god who is really no god at all by nature can still have great powers. The angels have great powers, they are not gods but still they are supernatural. Satan has great powers just like the other angels but he uses his power in ways to oppose Jehovah and does the opposite of good. The good angels minister to God by using their great…[Read more]

The one that Manoah saw and the messenger that the Son is are most likely the same person and that person is a mighty God, creator of heaven and earth with the Father. He is not a creation.Kathi

Mike,I am concerned and have been for a long time to see you twist things around. I have shown you even today how you write two opposing statements, and now you make it sound like I agree that God created the firstborn when I distinctly wrote:Quote And, no God did not create Jesus in His own image…the Son did not become the image of God but IS…[Read more]

Pierre,You never gave me the source of the commentary that you quoted. Do you not know where you got that from?Kathi

Pierre,In order to be given birth, one has to exist before birth…that is elementary. Birth is not the same as creation. Did you know that half of the 46 chromosomes that made you were in your mother from her birth, several years before you were even conceived?Kathi

Mike,If someone is said to be the 'son' of the creator, then the creator is a father in the sense of being their creator but not in the sense that they share in the same identical nature, like in the case of the only begotten Son who would not be one who was created but instead begotten.Kathi

Mike,you are confused if this is what you think that I believe.you said:Quote The conclusion is the same for both of you, for you both end up worshipping TWO completely different Gods – one of them named Jesus, the other Jehovah.The Father and the Son have many names applied to them.  The Father and Son both go by the name of their…[Read more]

Mike,Consider this principle from scriptures:Eccl 4:12A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple-braided cord is not easily broken. And, no God did not create Jesus in His own image…the Son did not become the image of God but IS the image of the invisible…[Read more]

Mike,Where is Manoah called 'god?' And, is 'god/God' the only translation of the word elohim?Kathi

Mike,I suspect they are the created angels because non-heavenly beings were not created till days after the foundation of the earth was founded. Scripture does not make that clear though. Also, scripture does not show evidence that the angels ever call Jehovah by the name 'Father.' They refer to Him as Jehovah mostly, as I understand it.Do you…[Read more]

Mike,He often says that 'like begets like.' I do think that it is linguistics of words like 'one being' and misunderstanding of what 'oneness' is that causes part of the problem here. Btw, thanks for capitalizing the 'G.' Kathi