Pierre,Why do you deny this scripture here:47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy…[Read more]

t8 said,Quote The one true God is the Father of all, even of his son.The Father is the God of the 'man from heaven' not the pre-existent Son from heaven that was incarnate with the 'man' from heaven.The Father is the Father of the pre-existent Son, not the God of the pre-existent Son. He is only 'God' to the 'man from heaven' part of Jesus, not…[Read more]

Pierre,You are twisting the scriptures and not just accepting them for what they say. We are not to lean on our own understanding. You take what is literal and make it allegorical. You can see in Gen 18 that Jehovah IS on earth and face to face with Abraham and you say that He is not on earth. Why? Because you are not understanding that the…[Read more]

t8 said this:Quote Satan is the theos of this world because he is the Father (Originator) of it. He is also the father of murderers etc.That is preposterous to say that satan is the originator/Father of this world. Are you in the business of exalting satan to creator now? Jehovah is not satan, t8. Jehovah created the world.The scripture says…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,00:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:15)40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in himthe man from heaven, shall have eternal life, and Ithe man from heaven, will raise him up at the last day.”Guess what Kathi?  NEVER does scripture EVER imply, hint at, or say that Jesus ever…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2011,00:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2011,22:59)Pierre,The man from heaven is a man.  Men are flesh.   This particular 'man' has an incarnated nature of both the pre-existent Son and the man from heaven.  Two natures, two roles…one in the purpose-to glorify the Father.kathiKathiNO,NO their is no scripture to su…[Read more]

Mike,The intended way:Just as the living Father sent me, the man from heaven, and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.He is the 'man from heaven' because the Holy Spirit supernaturally conceived Him in Mary.  An earthly man did not conceive Him.I have already shown you that it is the flesh body of…[Read more]

Pierre,If the first Adam is not allegorically earthy, the second Adam is not allegorically the man from heaven. Adam is literally 'earthy' and the second Adam is literally the 'man from heaven.'Being supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost would make one a 'man from heaven.'I said:”And there could be more than one Jehovah in different places…[Read more]

Pierre,The man from heaven is a man. Men are flesh. This particular 'man' has an incarnated nature of both the pre-existent Son and the man from heaven. Two natures, two roles…one in the purpose-to glorify the Father.kathi

Quote How many Jesuses do you think there are, Kathi? Because JESUS calls Jehovah “my God”. And you can't come close to scripturally proving your asinine notion that it is only the “man nature” of Jesus who calls Jehovah “my God”, while the “God nature” of Jesus is part OF the One who is being called “my God” BY the “man nature” of Jesus.There…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote But I'm happy you are no longer denying that Jesus and Satan are both gods that the God OF gods is the God OFWhere have I ever agreed to this. I totally deny this.The Father is the God of the 'man' from heaven, not the pre-existent Son who was incarnated with the 'man' from heaven.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2011,23:26)KathiQuote Like the church:The unity of the body of Christ is called the church and the individual localized body of Christ is also called a church.Church = congregation = many many,people this does not show unity unless you called their spirit ,heart,and mind a unity ?Quote There are two Jehovah's within the…[Read more]

Jehovah is the God of everything and Jehovah is both the Father and the Son, Mike. Jehovah is the God of the 'man from heaven' not the pre-existent Son but the 'man from heaven' that the pre-existent Son was incarnated with. Jehovah is both the Father and the pre-existent Son. In some context Jehovah is the Father and in other contexts Jehovah…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2011,13:16)John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. What does this mean?  There is truly only one name under heaven through which we can gain everlasting life.  So I accept that I may someday live BECAUSE OF Jesus Christ.  It is he…[Read more]

Mike,The bread of God is the 'man' from heaven.  In the above post add 'the man from heaven' and it goes like this:35 Then Jesus declared, “I the man from heaven, am the bread of life. He who comes to me, the man from heaven, will never go hungry, and he who believes in me, the man from heaven, will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you ha…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2011,22:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2011,21:37)Mike,you said:Quote WHO exalted Jesus, Kathi?  WHO GAVE him the name above every name?  And WHO will we confess Jesus as?  Lord?  Or God?  And to WHOSE glory will we do this?The Father exalts the Son who previously lowered HIMSELF.  Since He lowered HIMSELF He had taken…[Read more]

Mike,The Father being the God of gods does not mean that these gods are his children, it means that the Father is the God…of everything! The Son is the Lord of everything. Jehovah is both of them…God and Lord.

Mike,you said:Quote WHO exalted Jesus, Kathi?  WHO GAVE him the name above every name?  And WHO will we confess Jesus as?  Lord?  Or God?  And to WHOSE glory will we do this?The Father exalts the Son who previously lowered HIMSELF.  Since He lowered HIMSELF He had taken on an additional identity.  We confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2011,22:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:59)Mike,If God called satan the god of anything it is simply because satan exalted himself and demands worship.So then God accepted this self-exaltation and started to refer to Satan as the god that he made himself to be?Yes, Mike. God certainly acknowledges satan as the…[Read more]

Mike,The first Adam's body was from the earth, 'earthy,' the second Adam was not.47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.God in heaven prepared His body within Mary after the Holy Spirit from heaven conceived the body within her. The second 'man' is from heaven.Kathi