Mike,Yalad means to bear, bring forth, beget. Yalad is not the word used for conception. Conception happens about nine months before the begetting happens.Quote Then you have two BEINGS that are our Gods, Kathi. I don't think you'll find much support for that theory………….not even from the Trinitarians. And definitely not from me.I have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2011,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2011,20:34)Mike,Jesus taught that we are to worship Jehovah our God.  So do I.  The Father and He are one.  That would mean that we would worship both.Actually, Jesus told Satan, who was asking Jesus to worship HIM, that we are to worship “the Lord your God and serve Him ONLY”.  T…[Read more]

Mike,2 Thess 2:16-1716Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word. 1 Thess 3:11Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you;This structure, compound subjects,…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Well, glory be to God…you got it! You saw what I was trying to show you. That is good and a reason to celebrate right there!! You also found another verse like it, kudos to you.However, the 1 Corinthians 6:2 verse is a poor translation and that is why it does not seem correct. You have to find what is the nominative (subject) and what…[Read more]

Mike,Jesus taught that we are to worship Jehovah our God. So do I. The Father and He are one. That would mean that we would worship both.2 Thess 2:16?

Mike,Quote First of all, in order for this “like begets like” argument to work for you, Jack, and Keith, you must first accept the fact that Jesus WAS LITERALLY begotten by God. As in “Wasn't there, poof!, now he IS there”. Do you accept this FACT?When a woman begets her child, the child didn't instantly come into existence…the child had to…[Read more]

t8, you said:Quote Posted: Aug. 25 2011,18:34 QUOTEQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2011,04:06)Ok, so I read through Mike's, Irene's and t8's posts and suffice it to say…no one seems to understand:1. How a compound unity has more than one person in it, hence one can be the father of the other.  The 'other' does not need to be the 'father' of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,19:44)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 27 2011,11:35)Mike is either insane or just too proud to admit that his theology is contradictory. If God begat Jesus, then Jesus is God's kind. This means that if Christ is an angel, then God is an angel.KJ, angels are spirits and God is a spirit.So angels are of God, they probably share…[Read more]

Mike,That translation is in error.  The Lord Jesus Christ is written in the nominative case which means that it is a subject, not an object of a preposition that your translation would require.Kathi

So, what we have are several translations that translate Rev 3:14 as the 'beginning of the creation of God' and several that imply a rulership or originator.Reading Barnes' Notes about it may be helpful to you:Barnes' Notes on the BibleAnd unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write – See the notes on Revelation 1:20.These things saith…[Read more]

Irene,Here are more translations of Rev 3:14:New International Version (©1984)”To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.International Standard Version (©2008)”To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful a…[Read more]

Hi Irene,you said:Quote Jesus is in Heaven right now seated at the right hand of His father. Jesus will begin His rule of the Kingdom when He returns….. Having power and ruling is two different things to me….These verses seem to tell us differently, Jesus reigns in His kingdom now and will reign in a fuller sense when He returns and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,17:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 25 2011,11:23)Hmmm…Let's see, 2 Corinthians was written by Paul, right.  So did he preach the unity of the Father and the Son?2 Thess 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17comfort and…[Read more]

Irene,you said:Quote Being united in their believes, does not qualify Jesus to be called JehovahThe Father and the Son are united in far more than their beliefs.  They have the same peace, same grace, same truth, same love, same power, same wisdom, same nature, both are our savior, both are our creator, both are with believers and in believers…[Read more]

Thank you Jack!

Here is a verse for all you that believe that Jesus is a mere man:Galaians 1:1 Paul, an apostle–sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead–Paul was not sent from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ…

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 24 2011,23:22)2 Corinthians 11:3-43 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit y…[Read more]

Ok, so I read through Mike's, Irene's and t8's posts and suffice it to say…no one seems to understand:1. How a compound unity has more than one person in it, hence one can be the father of the other. The 'other' does not need to be the 'father' of himself.2. A compound unity is both plural AND singular depending on if one is emphasizing the…[Read more]

I came across this passage yesterday and I looked at the morphology of the words to find out that all the verbs are written in the singular form even though there is a compound subject.  More evidence of the unity of the Father and the Son acting as a compound unity, i.e. acting as one.2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself…[Read more]

Irene,Jehovah is ONE as in the word 'echad' in Hebrew which can mean a unity of more than one. If the writer meant one as in a singular number then another Hebrew word 'yachid' would be more appropriately used. I believe in scripture and believe that echad is a unity here…the NT shows that to be true. The unity has two persons within this…[Read more]