Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2011,00:48)Hi Mike,And we beheld his(The Word's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father. (John 1:14)You can clearly see that Hebrews 7:28 says “The Word” maketh the Son; right?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(TheSeed “IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was…[Read more]

Irene says:Quote He formed us out of the dust of the earth… He created Jesus from nothing… He created the earth and the Heavens from nothing…. That is what God did, He created all, including Jesus……Quote No I don't deny that He is the firstborn of all creation,Irene contradicts herself.  She says that God created Jesus from nothing but…[Read more]

Yes, heaven, please open it for a closing post. Thanks!Kathi

My answer to Mike,I can't answer for satan, nor will I entertain what was on his mind. Sorry but I am not going to discuss what he may or may not have thought. You can respect that or not. I already told you before you made this thread that I will not spend my time on this, I only answer now to give a record that I have responded to your post.Kathi

Heaven,How do you justify closing a debate that two people are having when one person asks another person several questions and then before they have a chance of answering and defending their position, you close the debate 'by request.' Shouldn't the person being asked the questions have an opportunity to answer those questions? Shouldn't both…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,13:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 28 2011,12:12)that is what the passage is about, not to teach about the Godhead but to teach that Jesus was tempted by satan like the rest of us and yet remained without sin.That's quite a take on it, Kathi.    Because the way I understand it, Satan is quite convinced that Jesus is n…[Read more]

Mike,Nebuchadnezzar was (past tense) the king that held the most power over the kings of the earth and that is why he had that title.  Jesus is the King of kings of heaven and earth now and forever.  Nebuchadnezzar has nothing to do as a part the unity of God.  Are you going to use the argument that Jesus is called the Son of God and so all so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,10:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,16:23)You will see that the subject for the middle of the verse is the 'world' and not the 'you.'  The 'world' is singular and agrees with the singular verb 'judge.'  The 'you' is written in the dative form and that means that it acts as the indirect object.These little p…[Read more]

Quote Kathi seems to be saying that those who do not view Jesus as she does are going to Hell. Seems to? Kathi never said those words. Nope.I do believe in scriptures though and that is what convicts, not me. If anyone is convicted by the scriptures that I post, then it is the scriptures that convict, not me.Christians all over the world…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,09:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,17:35)I have two persons that are both God yet united as one God unity.  The trinitarians have the same two persons that are both God yet united as one God unity also.  They also have the Holy Spirit as a third person, where I understand the Holy Spirit to be their i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,09:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,17:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2011,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2011,20:34)Mike,Jesus taught that we are to worship Jehovah our God.  So do I.  The Father and He are one.  That would mean that we would worship both.Actually, Jesus told Satan, who was asking Jesus to wo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2011,09:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,16:53)Mike,2 Thess 2:16-1716Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given  us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort  and strengthen  your hearts in every good work and word. 1 Thess 3:11Now may our God and Father Himself an…[Read more]

The organized church made up of the believers in the Father and the Son and their Spirit, all over the world, believes in the deity of Christ and the unity of God and has ministries in place for all these needs…thank God for the organized body of Christ…anyone who is a believer in them are not to neglect doing their part within the body of…[Read more]

Irene,You asked:Quote Does it matter for our salvation, if Jesus was created or was the firstborn of all creation?You deny that Jesus was the firstborn, you believe that He was the first-created. You deny that He is the literal Son of God but a created son. To you He is not the Lord of all…the Lord of glory, the Lord of lords but that He is a…[Read more]

But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.Jesus is the one Lord.2 Cor 4 1Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, 2but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or…[Read more]

1 Cor 2:6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had u…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2011,19:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 28 2011,10:43)You and I are the same type of being but we are not the same person. We are not the same type of being as God nor Jesus and never will be.  Jesus is not the same person as God His Father but He is the same type of being as God His Father and God the Father is not the only Lord…[Read more]

Irene,you said:Quote What we do have is six translations that state Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God, and two that He is the ruler… Since there are six against two, it proves that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation to me….let the rest of the members judge for themselves….Being called the 'beginning of the creation of God'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,18:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,23:30)Quote 4.  Was it not the Word who was with God and WAS God that BECAME flesh and dwelled among us?  Or were all things created by “the man from heaven”?Wow Mike, you almost said it…you said:'Or were all things created by “the man from heaven”?Do you now agree that all t…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,20:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,12:39)Kind begets kind.  Angels are one kind, God is another.We know God is spirit and angels are spirit.And even we who are housed in flesh have the promise of a new spiritual body. We will be like the angels and we will be like Christ. We will be transformed.But we are not the same…[Read more]