Devolution,You have demonstrated that the Holy Spirit is probably not a 3rd person but you have not demonstrated that He is not the 'inner person' of the Father and Son united which is what I believe. I don't believe that the Holy Spirit is merely the spirit of truth although the Holy Spirit would certainly portray and lead in truth. Man's…[Read more]

No Pierre, It simply shows that He was there in the beginning. It says nothing about Him not being there before that. Also, 'of creation' is not there either.Stick to scripture, this will help you.Kathi

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2011,21:52)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,07:11)I John 1:1-3That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,23:32)kathiQuote Mike,The Father is never without the Son.  The Son is and always was accessible to the Father.  The Son's existence is what is vital for the Father to be Almighty since the Son plays a very important role.Kathi you right sins the son was created they always together ,but their was a time a moment t…[Read more]

Pierre,I encourage you to learn about unity and the story behind the 'stick' remark. Let's just say that Mike, the one I addressed it to, knows the story. Are you interested in knowing about how the idea of unity is spoken about in the OT by using the term 'stick?' Or not? Feel free to ask me.i also encourage you to learn about the difference…[Read more]

Mike,Why do you forget that the Son emptied Himself of something. If He emptied Himself of something, then He had less of the 'something' than He did before. That should be applauded not pointed out that He is less mighty than the one who didn't empty Himself, i.e. the Father. The Son became less mighty for our sakes and was given it back to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,20:53)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2011,10:44)The son of man………Speaking of the Son of Man, who we all know Jesus was:Numbers 23:19God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.There you have it, Kathi.  Straight from the scriptures:  God is NOT a son of man.  Yet Jesus wa…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,19:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,00:10)Mike,I think that both Jehovah the Father and Jehovah the Son spoke through the prophets.  Sometimes it was Jehovah the Son speaking as a messenger for the Father and sometimes as Himself as Jehovah the Son.What you think is disproved by Hebrews 1:1, Kathi. Whichever…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,21:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.And you call both the Father and the son YHWH, and thus YHWH hung on the cross in your understanding.We do not concur of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,20:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,18:29)That way one of them could empty Himself and become something that COULD DIE (a fleshly man) while the other (the Father) would remain in complete control and not be empty of His power and authority……..One of THEM?  The other of THEM?  Kathi, the ONLY way your words w…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Did Jehovah say “I am I AM” every time He claimed to BE YHWH? YES or NO?No. He said His proper name YHVH after He said “I am…” Look at the Hebrew. Quote Did Jesus EVER say “I am I AM”? YES or NO?No, unless you explore the meaning of the name Yeshua or YHVH and substitute the proper name used with the meaning of the proper…[Read more]

Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God. (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.) That way one of them could empty Himself and become something that COULD DIE (a fleshly man) while the other (the…[Read more]

Nice to see you Keith! Welcome back Blessings,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2011,17:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2011,01:53)Trinitarians do not believe that Jesus is God, the most high Father.  They believe that Jesus is God, the Most High Son.How many Most High Gods do the Trinitarians believe we have, Kathi?The trinitarians believe this:Anathasian Creed:Whosoever will be saved, before all…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2011,17:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2011,01:42)So, God spoke through the Son in the OT but didn't identify Him as the Son till the proper time…the NT.  He identified Him as the 'Word of God.'  God spoke through the 'Word of God' (the Son)  to the prophets who then passed on that message to the people.Give that gi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2011,17:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2011,02:14)Mike,you said:Quote Do we have TWO Almighty Gods?The Father with His Son and Spirit make up the ONE Almighty God.  The existence and unity with the Son and Spirit are vital for the Father to be Almighty as I understand it.But we've already been down this road, Kathi.  I h…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote God Almighty is ONE Being.God is almighty because of the unity with the Son and Spirit.Quote Do we have TWO Almighty Gods?The Father with His Son and Spirit make up the ONE Almighty God.  The existence and unity with the Son and Spirit are vital for the Father to be Almighty as I understand it.The God who speaks through the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2011,20:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2011,13:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2011,22:53)Kathi, If Trinitarians believe Jesus is God Most High, then they believe that Jesus is the God he is the Son of.  No, trinitarians believe that God is made of more than one person, one of those persons is the Father and another of…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2011,21:08)paul is saying about the nature. paul is not saying in verse 6 that christ is also the father. you cant read that. and that is what i am pointing here. they have the same nature. but christ is not the father.Good word, jammin!Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2011,20:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2011,13:30)Hebrews says that God spoke through the prophets in many ways.  That leaves it wide open as to how or who He spoke through to the prophets.Ah, but it doesn't leave any options as to WHO that God was. The God who spoke to us through the prophets was the SAME God who spoke…[Read more]