Mike,you said:Quote Then meaning is clearly that wisdom (Jesus) was the first thing God ever brought forth. God established it (Jesus) before His other works of old.I agree and this does not challenge my understanding but supports it…good for you to see that Jesus could not possibly be a part of the creation of God since He was before those…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Kathi, is there any indication that the “God” has changed at all?  In other words, does “HE” in verse 2 still refer to the same “God” from verse 1?Mike,The God in verse 1 is the 'He' in verse 2.We are now 4 for 4!  Praise Jah!  1 In…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2012,18:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,23:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2012,20:19)How many of those prophets WERE the God who did the speaking through them?Mike,The prophets in the OT were not God.  That's three for three, Kathi. 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,21:18)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,19:54)The fact is that they teach that GOD DIED FOR OUR SINS.And this is not true. His only begotten son died.Why is it that some people just can't accept that truth?  GOD so loved the world that………….A.  He came and died for us?B.  He SENT His SON to die for us?Which on…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,16:09)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)KathiQuote Again, the idea the NET translators were intending to convey is that “wisdom existed before creation,…” and “The claim of wisdom in this passage is that she was foundational to all that God would do.” If wisdom existed…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,16:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2012,01:54)Mike,Begetting the Son may have been considered a work, the first 'work' but that was not a creating out of nothing type of work.ALL THINGS in heaven and earth came “out from” the Father, Kathi.  Jesus is no exception, as even you admit.I don't know where you get your…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,16:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,23:19)So Mike,He was brought forth by God HOW, created as a creature or born as an offspring?Can you please answer this question?KathiScripture says Jesus was “begotten”, “born” and “created”.John 112 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)KathiQuote Again, the idea the NET translators were intending to convey is that “wisdom existed before creation,…” and “The claim of wisdom in this passage is that she was foundational to all that God would do.” If wisdom existed BEFORE creation, then it is not a part of creation,so in your opinion God was…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2012,14:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,01:46)Pierre,you said:Quote as for being one well you are wrong they are only one in there comon will Christ did not do like Satan he loved his father Satan did not ,the fact that Christ had accepted to die for US show until what point Christ was ready to prove his love for his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21 2012,14:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 20 2012,21:56)Mike, when was the beginning of the LORD's way?  Hint, the LORD always existed.The word is understood as “works”………..see NETNotes about it.And since Jehovah always existed, the “beginning of His works” would be the first work He ever performed.  And that is what I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21 2012,14:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 20 2012,21:56)Mike, when was the beginning of the LORD's way?  Hint, the LORD always existed.The word is understood as “works”………..see NETNotes about it.And since Jehovah always existed, the “beginning of His works” would be the first work He ever performed.  And that is what I…[Read more]

Pierre,you said:Quote as for being one well you are wrong they are only one in there comon will Christ did not do like Satan he loved his father Satan did not ,the fact that Christ had accepted to die for US show until what point Christ was ready to prove his love for his father ,They are one in many ways, you ought to allow God to teach you about…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 22 2012,20:20)Hi Kathi:You say:Quote He ALWAYS did the things that were pleasing to the Father.  That shows perfection.No, it does not show perfection.  It shows that he was obeying the Father.  He was perfected through his obedience even unto death on the cross.  He had to finish this in order to be perfected.  And Kath…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2012,20:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,13:06)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)In Hebrews 1:1, through whom did the ONE who spoke speak?Through the prophets, Mike.You're two for two, Kathi.How many of those prophets WERE the God who did the speaking through them?Mike,The prophets in the OT were not God. What is your point?…[Read more]

Marty,In polytheism there is no perfect harmony in unity…there is conflict between the gods.The Father and the Son are in perfect harmony in unity and there is no conflict between them.  They are as one God authority to us.  The Son always pleases the Father, the Son always does what He sees the Father doing.  There is never ever a co…[Read more]

So Mike,He was brought forth by God HOW, created as a creature or born as an offspring?Can you please answer this question?Kathi

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 22 2012,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,18:10)Hi Marty,you asked:Quote When was “he” or “when did he become” God the Son?He always was God, the Son.Quote And when you say “God the Son” became a man, was he “God the Son” as a man?Yes, of course, one cannot empty themselves of their inherent nature nor deny their past.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 22 2012,18:28)And Kathi:If he was “God the Son”, and was already perfect as God is perfect, then how do you explain the following scripture? Quote Hbr 5:8   Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Hbr 5:9   And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all t…[Read more]