Furthermore:Quote So who made a table. Man through Christ through God when you think of it as man cannot create a table but really transforms wood and metal into a table. It is the wood and rock that metal comes from that is created.Man made the table. God made the materials that man used. This is not hard. Although members on this board want to…[Read more]

Please notice:t8 said:Quote You could say that both installed the pool cover depending what your perspective is.I rest my case. It depends on the context in the Bible too regarding creation. The unity created or the Son created or the Father created. Either way is correct depending what the context is.It is just as likely that the customer…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2012,18:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:24)However, you seem to think that should apply to God's Son also…………..First of all, I said “sure” to move this discussion along.  A child can be aborted at any time before he is born – would YOU say that aborted child had once “existed” as a part of human kind?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,22:17)Pierre,If you don't know what love Paul is talking about and you don't know what kind of being that God is, just say so and stop with these games.Get to know what an only begotten son is Pierre…it is the foundational truth that the church is built on. KathiPierre,You haven't told me what kind of being God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,16:28)Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures?  Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in scriptures? Maybe you should find a better translation.KathiHere is one of those…[Read more]

No Pierre, wisdom wasn't separate from the Son as if it were just a piece of Him, it is just what is being emphasized about the Son.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,21:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,22:43)Pierre,You do not believe that the Son was begotten before the ages? Wisdom was begotten then in Prov 8. When do you think the Son was begotten?KathiKathiso do you now agree that in Proverb it talks about the son of God from verses 22 to 31 in chap;8  ?PierrePierre,I…[Read more]

Mike,Please answer the question:If ABC Pool Cover Company installed a pool cover through employee Mikeboll…who installed the pool cover?Just choose one answer:A. MikebollB. ABC Pool Cover CompanyC. BothIt is important that you answer this with an honest response. If you don't then I will make a poll about it or put you on the hot seat about it.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,23:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10)The Job verse is in the 8th post on page 19.  The word is “established”, which you can see from my post is a synonym of “create”.And yes, most translations use “possessed” because they didn't know about the “create” root of the Hebrew word, although they suspected there…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote It depends on your definition of “exist”, Kathi. At that time, my son was totally dependent on another being; and not just dependent, but actually physically hooked to that other being though an umbilical cord. He was not an individual being yet, but yes, “he” did exist.So, one being was totally dependent on another…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about.  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that…[Read more]

Pierre,I don't see why you say that it doesn't reflect the one in scripture. Can you clarify why you said that?Thanks,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,10:01)Kathi, IS THERE ANY HINT WHATSOEVER – in Hebrews 1:1-2 – that the writer might be talking about TWO Gods who spoke to us through prophets and through His Son?YES or NO?Mike………in the first two verses, it is just talking about…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2012,19:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2012,16:25)Marty,In polytheism there is no perfect harmony in unity…there is conflict between the gods.The Father and the Son are in perfect harmony in unity and there is no conflict between them.  They are as one God authority to us.  The Son always pleases the Father, the Son a…[Read more]

This reminds me of “Was Superman half Superman/half Clark Kent?” or “Was he fully Superman while he was Clark Kent also?” “Was Julie Andrews half nanny/half nun in the Sound of Music?” or “Is a baby half a person till they are born and then they become a full person?” Did Superman limit himself during his Clark Kent phase and then unleash his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10)The Job verse is in the 8th post on page 19.  The word is “established”, which you can see from my post is a synonym of “create”.And yes, most translations use “possessed” because they didn't know about the “create” root of the Hebrew word, although they suspected there must be one based on other scriptures.…[Read more]

Pierre,You do not believe that the Son was begotten before the ages? Wisdom was begotten then in Prov 8. When do you think the Son was begotten?Kathi

Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures? Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in scriptures? Maybe you should find a better translation.Kathi

Mike,You have to read the whole chapter to see that two are called the names of deity, but in the first two verses, it is just talking about one of them speaking to us. My question to you…In John 1:1 is there any indication that there are two theos?Kathi

Mike,I answered this. Heb 1 does not mention the word 'only' but it does mention 'in various ways' so I cannot agree to that.Kathi