Marlin,1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.Here we see the Father, the Son and those that the Son gives eternal life to. The F…[Read more]

I came here thinking that the word 'begotten' implied a beginning for the Son before the ages but have come to realize that to have been begotten in one sense of the word, the Son had to have existed already within. Also, I learned about the early church writings and how they bear witness to the Son being an offspring of God and also God in nature…[Read more]

Gene,Thanks, we disagree on this and I believe it is a major thing to disagree on.Peace and love to you and yours also,Kathi

Glad to hear it Nick!

Marlin,Do you have a father who has a father? His father is considered your Grandfather. The Son gives eternal life.This is not a hard concept.The Son is completely capable of doing anything the Father does because they have the same nature. The Son is the perfect Son and that is why He gets His direction from the Father…Likewise, the Father is…[Read more]

Justin Martyr:Chapter LXI—Wisdom is begotten of the Father, as fire from fire.“I shall give you another testimony, my friends,” said I, “from the Scriptures, that God begat before all creatures a Beginning,2167 a certain rational power from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again a…[Read more]

Like I have said many times here…God cannot die and that is why God, as the Son had to take on flesh so that He could be tempted and that He could die.From Ignatius:We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began,537 but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For…[Read more]

Nick,SONship by the nature that is in Him and who He was within and begotten by. The Spirit of the Son goes with the nature.

Hi Nick,It is very Christian. It is also an historical document so that is one reason that it may be not included in the canon. Elements of it are written in the Canon though and from what I can tell, nothing is in disagreement with the Canon. There is a lot that happened with the apostles that is not in the Canon but recorded elsewhere. I'm…[Read more]

Isaiah 9:6 is talking about the Son only.Many scriptures refer to their harmony in unity. A man's son's character often resembles his own, often, even his physical appearance. How much more would the Son's character reflect His Father's if He always did what He saw the Father doing and spoke the words that His Father would have Him speak?The Son…[Read more]

Nick,Then you won't be able to accept anything I say about the document. Can you prove that the doc is not about Peter, the disciple?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,15:34)Hi LU, Scripture proves right.Where are your witnesses to this document?Nick,Is the 'this' not referring to the document about Peter? Or is the 'this' the document about Justin Martyr? If about Justin Martyr, I said that I believe with his main beliefs, and I used him to prove that people were baptized in…[Read more]

Thank you Keith, nice to see you!Kathi

Again, which part.

Nick,Which part do you ask about?

Nick,Jesus was the name given to the Son of God who had the Spirit of the Son within Him which was also the same as the Spirit of Christ, who was with the Father before creation. This Son emptied Himself and submitted Himself to the form of a bond-servant and needed to be dependent on the Father as a limited man because of His choice to agree to…[Read more]

Marlin,You do not believe the words of Jesus when He clearly claims that He is not the Father. How can He say that He did not come on His own initiative if He sent Himself?? Why are you arguing against scripture that is plainly written and wasting time here?John 8 39They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to the…[Read more]

Quote To say that God did not create the cosmos through his Word, Son, or Jesus Christ is plain wrong as these scriptures clearly show.So what is there left to debate? He is a mystery so there is obviously gaps as there are in any mystery, but what we know is what scripture says, and it says that God created all things through him. Why argue…[Read more]

Nick,Are you feeling all right?You say that proving wrong is never the point and then ask if I can prove Moses or Peter or John wrong?We are to have a defense for what we believe and have more than our own witness. I have done that, but it is not my job to convict you or force you to accept it. A man set in his ways can be right and also can be very wrong.

Nick,My Spirit bears witness to them, the scriptures bear witness to points made and people in them, scripture and early church writings also make mention of Peter being in Rome and what he is saying in that document that is written about his message and predicament.Can you prove they are wrong?