Hi William,It seems to me that the manifestation of the Father is what the Father calls His only Begotten Son…the image, the word of God. The difference that you and I have is that I believe that this Son was always existing in the Father and ready to be begotten from the Father before creation. From what I can tell, you seem to say that it was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2012,13:46)I didn't agree to that, Kathi.    I agreed that God Most High is the God of gods and the Lord of lords.  For example, Jesus is a god and a lord, but Jehovah is HIS God and HIS Lord.Subsequently, Jesus is also the Lord of other lords.  Even more subsequently, there exist even more lords who are the lord of eve…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,01:21)There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD according to HIS Christ Jesus, that means that even Jesus is not a TRUE GOD. There can be ONLY ONEBD,There is one Lord and that is Jesus. Do you think that means that the Father is not our Lord also? I don't think so. Neither do I think that just because the Bible says that there is…[Read more]

It is the same thing, Mike.

That is good that we agree on this. Our one God Almighty IS a Father and a Son. Our one God is God of gods AND Lord of lords…a Father AND a Son.

Mike,Our ONE God Almighty is both God of gods and Lord of lords. “For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ,…[Read more]

Mike,You want a short reply and to take it bit by bit, ok.you said:Quote I agree that Jesus is A son of God in a way that no others are.I believe that Jesus is the only son of God in a way that no others are too. He is the same kind of being that His Father is…like begats like. Angels are not the same kind of being. If an true angel did begat…[Read more]

Mike, what do you mean, “that's right” as if we are agreeing or something…what's right? You say that you do not have a definition of 'dual nature' then how can you say Jesus is not dual natured? If I say that I do not know what it means to be, say, 'zorbified' how can I say someone is not 'zorbified?' Typically Christians claim that He is both…[Read more]

Ok, Mike, here is your last two posts on that thread:Quote Quote (Lightenup @ May 25 2012,17:15)Mike,You say that Jesus was not dual natured. Can you please give me your definition of 'dual natured.'Thanks!In other words, “Priest of God Almighty” is not one nature of Jesus while “God Almighty” is another.He WAS a spirit being like the other…[Read more]

BD,Here is your last post to me from the other thread:Quote Quote (Lightenup @ May 26 2012,12:17)Hi BD, (Mike let BD respond to this please)you said:Quote This is metaphorical not literal if a person was born God they cannot die because God cannot die.Actually an offspring is already the kind he or she is before being born, so the ONLY BEGOTTEN…[Read more]

Hi William,Your thread has taking a rabbit trail away from your revelation, sorry. Bd, Mike and I need to find a better place to have our 'Who is Jesus' discussion (and you, William, if interested) so that you can just only discuss your revelation in this thread. I have moved it to the 'debate' thread in the unbeliever's section. Hopefully I will…[Read more]

Hi BD, (Mike let BD respond to this please)you said:Quote This is metaphorical not literal if a person was born God they cannot die because God cannot die.Actually an offspring is already the kind he or she is before being born, so the ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD (John 1:18) was born God because He already was God 'kind' before He was born.God cannot die…[Read more]

Charles,Jesus was begotten spiritually before the ages and had existed before He was begotten within the Father. In Mary He was begotten carnally.

BD (Mike, let BD respond to this please)Quote Being a spirit before hand doesn't mean that spirit was an equivalent of GodBeing an only begotten literal Son of God is what made Him an equivalent of God.This is your quote:Quote If any of you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you will have to agree that Jesus is GOD because each kind…[Read more]

Mike,You say that Jesus was not dual natured. Can you please give me your definition of 'dual natured.'Thanks!

Mike,Jesus the only begotten Son of God pre-existed the flesh and was not considered a human being during His pre-existence. Jesus as the High Priest did not pre-exist the flesh but became a High Priest as a resurrected human being.Would you consider the pre-existent spirit being, Jesus, any different than the human being that came in the flesh?…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote I don't see any distinction between Jesus the Christ of God, Jesus the Priest of God, Jesus the Servant of God, and Jesus the Son of God.Jesus was always a Son but not always a High Priest.An only begotten Son refers to a relationship to the Father by nature.A High Priesthood is an office which the only begotten Son of God…[Read more]

Hi Charles,you said:Quote Begotten can certainly mean born,(FROM THE DEAD THOUGH, NOT FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB) did you not know that?  Not so Charles, begotten certainly can mean born from the womb. Begotten certainly takes place on a specific day but usually that which is begotten was alive beforehand. Did Jesus exist before He was begotten from…[Read more]