Pierre,A unity does not consist of all in the same position necessarily.A family does not consist of only fathers.1 married couple = 1 man + 1 womanDo you see how that equation is true?They are both humans but definitely in different positions.Likewise:1 Jehovah unity = 1 Father Jehovah + 1 Son Jehovah

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2012,17:15)Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2012,21:59)Mike,you asked:Quote I'm asking if Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar can both be Kings of kings without being the same being.And if your answer is “YES”, then why can't Jehovah and Jesus both be Lords of lords without being the same being?Yes, they can both be King of kings…[Read more]

Dear BD,you said:Quote Psalms 45 was written hundreds of years before Christ was sent to us, so who do you think the writer was referring to at thetime it was written? It was the King which most likely was David.Really?? Have you not ever heard of a Messianic prophecy before? Of course they were written way before Jesus was born in the flesh, no…[Read more]

Good Pierre,Now just plug all of that info into one equation like this:Jehovah = our one God (the God of gods)-the Father + our one Lord (the Lord of lords)-Jesus ChristDo you get this so far?

Ok Pierre,The NT identifies who the God is and who the Lord is here:1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.The one God is the Father and the one Lord is Jesus Christ.Are you still with me?

BD,Psalms 45 is about Jesus, the Messiah and the church, His bride.Read this to help you see:http://gill.biblecommenter.com/psalms/45.htm

BD,The verse in Acts 2 does not say that God made Him both God and Christ, it says Lord and Christ. If God begat the only begotten God before creation and gave Him the task of creation together with Himself, that right there would make Him Lord over creation, both of them would be Lord over creation because they together are the creator of…[Read more]

Pierre,Jehovah = the God of gods + the Lord of lordsAre you with me so far?Deut 10:17 “For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

Hi AndrewAD,I understand where you are coming from. I have read the writings of the early church fathers and there was a time that the Holy Spirit was not distinguished as a person. I have thought of their teachings as the early trinity…the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…two persons and the Spirit that proceeds from them.I think of Him…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2012,21:01)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,21:32)BTW, what scripture has God 'appointing' the Son as 'Lord'…………You keep saying that He was appointed as Lord but I don't see it in scripture. Is this a manmade doctrine of yours?Acts 2:36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom y…[Read more]

BD,you asked:Quote Who is the “Lord God” is the “Lord God” Jesus and The FatherIt depends on the context but sometimes context is unclear. It could be the Father, the Son or both.

BD,you asked:Quote In these 3 examples why is there no mention of another God? A begotten God. When the words “None else besides Him” who is “him”? in the sentence? Remember the example that I gave you about the church being referred to with singular pronouns because the unity is considered a singular word? Same thing here. The 'him' is the unity.…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote I'm asking if Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar can both be Kings of kings without being the same being.And if your answer is “YES”, then why can't Jehovah and Jesus both be Lords of lords without being the same being?Yes, they can both be King of kings without being the same being. I don't think that anyone would understand them as…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2012,22:08)So when you talk about God to kathi she has to think to herself “Which God are they talking about?”Yes, like in the Heb 1:8-9 passage that I just posted above. That is why one is often designated as God and one as Lord to help in distinguishing that they are two different divine persons, even tho they both…[Read more]

BD,You have much better understanding of my understanding than Mike does, but I do not think that the Father would call Jesus His God. in Hebrews, the Father calls Jesus “God” but Himself “your God” when talking to His Son.Heb 1:8But unto the Son he says, Your throne, O God (this is the Son), is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2012,21:18)Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,18:53)I'm in God's truth, Pierre. There are plenty of scriptures that show Jesus is Lord as in YHVH. My desire is to line up with God's truth.Kathifor me please tell us what you do believe in like what and who  is Christ who his God his father who are the 144k and please back…[Read more]

Mike,Nobody believes that Jesus is the person that He is the Son of except Modalists, from what I can tell.

Hi AndrewAD,I call myself a Christian. I don't care much for extra-Biblical labels. The labels may help somewhat to understand one's Christology but when the rubber meets the road, not all trinitarians believe the same, nor arians, nor unitarians, etc. From what I can tell, you do not understand trinitarians belief in the same way that I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2012,19:21)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,22:00)Mike,How about not adjusting my statement. Just deal with it.So then shall we just ignore all the scriptures that say “Son OF God”?  Or shall we change them all to say “Son IN God” so they fit into your doctrine better?How about you learn what scriptures mean when it…[Read more]

I'm in God's truth, Pierre. There are plenty of scriptures that show Jesus is Lord as in YHVH. My desire is to line up with God's truth.