Well, t8 have a good day on the other side of the world. It is very late here…nice discussing with you tonight! I'm gonna hit the sack as they say.Good night,Kathi

t8Quote I haven't checked every single reference, but of that which I did check, none of them mention YHWH. I assume that the ones I didn't look at were similar in construction. Your mistake is to assume that kurios is translated as YHWH in all instances in scripture. It certainly is not.You are not checking the translations from the Aramaic…[Read more]

Actually t8, the verses that I quoted have an Aramaic interlinear to support them which came from the Aramaic manuscript, not a Greek manuscript (kurios is Greek). You are assuming that the original letters were written in Greek which does replace YHWH with kurios and leaves it unclear at times as to whether YHWH is what is meant. The Aramaic…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,23:34)t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?Lu 2:11 For there is born to you this day a deliverer, who is the Lord Jehovah Messiah, inthe city of DavidJoh 8:11 And she said: No man, Lord Jehovah. And Jesus said: Neither do I condemn thee.Go thou, and henceforth…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,22:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.What unity.God and Jesus are united and so we can too.I presume you are talking of the Father son union. And not including us.”Holy Father, protect them by…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote As for the rest, I can see that the problem here is that you insist that YHWH is Jesus.There is a reason for that…I just gave you about 17 verses that say that YHWH is Jesus. I didn't write them, just copied them and pasted them.

t8,you said:Quote Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.Luke 18:19Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the one God.”Same as before, I would say this is the Unity.If Jesus was referring to himself then he would likely have sa…[Read more]

t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?Lu 2:11 For there is born to you this day a deliverer, who is the Lord Jehovah Messiah, inthe city of DavidJoh 8:11 And she said: No man, Lord Jehovah. And Jesus said: Neither do I condemn thee.Go thou, and henceforth sin no more.Ac 2:36 Therefore, let all…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,21:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,15:43)t8,you said:Quote Kathi, you clearly teach that God is two.I teach that our God and Lord are two. The Lord is the only begotten God.OK, so no problem there.God is the Father.God made Jesus, Lord.Sorted.Now the only outstanding point is that both the Father and Jesus are YHWH.Is…[Read more]

t8,Here is your list of scriptures. I will tell you who is being spoken about, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, or the Unity in general of both the Father and Son together with their Spirit.After I do this, will you appreciate all the time that this is going to take me? I may split these up in several posts. I'll see how it goes, but I will…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,19:11)Kathi, I have a couple of must-answer questions in bold below.I say THE God is exclusively THE Father.You say that God is the Father and Son.Excluding all instances of God/theos that is applied to men, angels, Satan, idols, etc, when the word God is mentioned in scripture, whose understanding breaks the scripture and…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote Kathi, you clearly teach that God is two.I teach that our God and Lord are two. The Lord is the only begotten God.

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,20:37)Please answer my 2 questions.As for your last question, there is one who is God and the other who is Lord.There are 2 being referred to. God and Lord.The Father is God and Jesus is Lord.One person/identity per title.Yes, t8, I agree that Paul is teaching that TWO BEINGS are for us as God and Lord and that the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,19:16)t8,you said:Quote It doesn't say one LORD Jehovah Yeshua.Yes it does…you are in denial my friend. See the Aramaic Bible of Plain English on the Bible.cc site here:http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/8-6.htmThere are several more examples of the Aramaic manuscripts clearly calling Jesus the “LORD Jehovah Yeshua.”…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,20:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,14:17)t8,Where does the Bible say that He is one being? A unity takes singular personal pronouns, there are several examples, the church is a 'she' for example.For us there is one God the Father.If you consider the Father is a being, then yes he is one being.If you prefer I will use…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2012,20:08)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,01:42)……….you will understand how this four gospel thing came about without the epistles.Why can't you just tell us?Mike,I would just be repeating what the linked article already says. Why do you want me to spoon feed you? Just read the article, please! My time is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 31 2012,20:08)Is there any way to determine what the common people spoke back there at that time?  It almost seems odd to me that it's not easier to figure this out, or that somewhere, some ancient didn't say what they were written in.Hi David,Read what Josephus, a Jewish Historian of Jesus' day wrote:You can read his writings…[Read more]

Gene,You really should be concentrating your efforts on the Aramaic interlinear. Look at John 1 for example and see v. 18 calling Jesus the only begotten God. Read it here:http://aramaic-english.scripturetext.com/john/1.htmIt appears nearly blank. You have to click on the tab that says “interlinear” and then you may have to look in your download…[Read more]

Mike,Let me clarify my last post. The whole NT was written in Aramaic/Hebrew and can be used to prove that Jesus is YHWH the Messiah. It also can be used to prove that the Father is YHWH. It is not saying that they are both the same YHWH but there are two persons called YHWH as well as the unity they make.

t8you said:Quote e.g., For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….t8: For the Father so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….kathi: For the Father and Son so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….Who is right in the example above.But Kathi wouldn't say that. I have said over and over that…[Read more]