Mike,

You said:

Just because another person may also be a Lord of other lords, a King of other kings, or a Teacher of other teachers does not equate them with Yahweh – or make them a part of a Unity of Spirit with Yahweh.

True, however Jesus is also the giver of eternal life, the Lord of all creation, has all authority in heaven and on earth, i…[Read more]

Adam,

You said:

Here Yahweh is both God and Lord.

This is the reason why I am standing against the concepts of the NT on  God and  Messiah.

The OT is talking about two persons as one YHVH God who is both God and Lord there in Deut 10:17. The NT supports that when it speaks of one God and one Lord, Father and Son. It further supports that by s…[Read more]

Gene,

You said:

The trip is in the actual translation of the Greek word, (dia) , it is used in two places in that sentence, that if misunderstood gives a wrong understanding to the whole sentence.

You are the one misunderstanding the word dia, Gene. You have been corrected on this. Go to the first post in the “Understanding Greek” thread and y…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for your post. So you believe in two separate Yahwehs that act as one Yahweh? Is that correct?

Proclaimer,

You said: If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

@Berean,

Thanks for your response.

I’m interested in how you reconcile your  your view of the two YHVHs do not form one God with these passages:

Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the awesome, who doesn’t respect persons, nor takes reward.

Deut 6:4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our…[Read more]

Proclaimer said:

But even if it is communicating that from God another was begotten from his nature, then that would be true IMO.

So you can agree that the Son could properly be called the only begotten god/God whether or not it actually says it in John 1;18, right?

Hi Mike,

Regarding this post:

I thought I was agreeing with you.  You’ve told me that John 1:1 speaks of two gods – one of whom was with the other.  And you’ve told me that the Father is the unbegotten God who can’t be seen by human eyes, while Jesus is the only begotten god who can be seen by humans.  Um… that’s two different gods, Kathi.…

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Mike,

You said:  that’s a great story about you liking design so much you are thinking about doing it professionally. Thanks, I have actually been doing design professionally to some degree for many years before I recently returned to college last fall. This time I am learning how to make use of computers for design. It’s a game changer ;).

I am…[Read more]

Proclaimer

You said: your gospel is foreign to heaven

Do you think that “my gospel” is consistent with one who believes that John 1:18 correctly calls Jesus the only begotten God?

Hi Mike,

Thanks for putting up those verses about the use of the plural Hebrew word for gods. I would suspect that there is another reason besides implying super greatness or a majestic plural but I don’t have time to run down that rabbit trail.

You said: I too believe Yahweh and Jesus are two different gods.

You are aware that I don’t believe…[Read more]

Berean,

You agree with this, right?

YHVH is both the Father and the Son, two persons. One God + one Lord, united in one Spirit.=YHVH.

Proclaimer,

Berean and I are saying the same thing with different words. You don’t seem to understand that. You react affirmatively towards Berean and the opposite towards me. We are essentially saying the same thing.

YHVH is both the Father and the Son, two persons. One God + one Lord, united in one Spirit.=YHVH.

YHVH is God of gods AND Lord of lords. For believers, the God of gods is one person and the Lord of lords is another. Two persons are represented by the one name “YHVH” and YHVH is echad (a term implying a unity).

Mikeboll64,

Mike, you said:

1 Kings 11:33… I will do this because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Molek the god of the Ammonites, and have not walked in obedience to me…

Notice here that Yahweh Himself refers to these other gods as “gods” – even using the plural wor…

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YHVH for short.

Proclaimer,

Here lies the key:

You said: then the Father without the Son is not God

But since the Father is never without the Son, and visa versa, they are always together as YHVH God.

“But I am willing to bet that you do not really understand all this.”

@Mike, @Proclaimer

Please respond to the last post from me addressed to you on this thread. Thanks, LU

@Proclaimer

Regarding this post of yours:

If one can merely partake of divine nature in a future sense and not in an original sense, they obviously would not be gods. Nothing can “become” God in nature since the concept of the divine God would be eternal in nature. No one that has not been eternally divine in nature would qualify to be god…

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Hi Mike,

Regarding this post:

LU: You said this to PC: LU:  I think John 1:1 teaches a Binary Godhead.

Where did I say that?
Did I word your belief incorrectly?  If so, please correct me.  As far as I know from your own words, you believe that YHWH is a combination of “YHWH the Father” and “YHWH the Son”… two members of the same Godhead.

You…

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