Mike,You talk about sensible, intelligent people not 'getting' supernatural concepts. There is a whole lot in the Bible that you DO believe that 'sensible people' do not 'get.' You believe that water became wine, the Red Sea parted, a blind man sees when mud is applied to his eyes, the demons flee in the name of Jesus, a man existed in the form of…[Read more]

t8,you say:Quote Can't answer everything you have written it would waste too much time.Is that your way of saying that you don't know what to say? You are stumped?? you ask:Quote Does it not say, “today I have become your father”.Actually the Greek does not have the word 'father' in the first part of the verse that I believe you are referring to.…[Read more]

Mike,Do you think that Hagar was Abraham's wife?BD said:Quote Ishmael had the very first covenant that God made with Abraham and that was the covenant of circumcision and it is an Everlasting Covenant and of course Ishmael was legitimate Hagar was his WIFE you are sorely misled on this subject.

Mike,Quote And btw, I pray to the ONE God Jehovah Most High. I pray to Him THROUGH His Holy Servant Jesus Christ – as Jesus taught, and as the Apostles did.So you make mention of two theos in your prayers, not more than two and not less than two. True or False?You have two theos from which creation came, not more than two and not less than two.…[Read more]

BD,Isaac was the ONLY child of Abraham's that God established His covenant with, for an everlasting covenant for him and his descendants after him. Abraham did have a son before Isaac but not a son that God established His covenant with that was an everlasting covenant for Isaac's descendants. There was ONLY ONE SON that God did that through.…[Read more]

Mike,1. The Father is the Almighty God, Jesus is the Almighty Only Begotten God.2. Only according to His glorified humanity.3. They will be brothers according to His glorified humanity, the elect will be a kingdom of priests for the Father and the Son according to His divinity.

Mike,Some traditions are based on truth and some aren't. Just because something is a traditionally held belief does not make it wrong, Mike. In fact a traditionally held belief based on truth should last from one generation after the other for eternity. I believe that the apostles, who were discipled by Jesus Himself and sent out by Him, gifted…[Read more]

t8,Too bad that you lack scripture that specifically tells us all that the Son emptied Himself 'of His divine nature' when He became flesh. He continued as divine nature when He also took on human nature. You don't seem to be able to distinguish what He does according to the flesh and what He does according to His divinity. According to His…[Read more]

MikeQuote Biblical terminology calls powerful spirit beings “gods”, Kathi: “For indeed there are many gods and many lords, in heaven and on earth…..”You are free to believe in as many gods as you want. I will believe in the one God, the Father and the one LORD, Jesus Christ the only begotten God as both existing eternally. All else fails in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,16:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2012,11:41)One did not create anything in heaven or on earth apart from the other.Agreed.  One created all things through the other.  Just remember the first two words of the sentence, and you'll be in line with scripture………..”ONE CREATED”.Mike,There is a complete sentence t…[Read more]

Mike,Jesus is God's firstborn 'from the dead' according to humanity. According to His glorified humanity, He will be a brother to other men/women that are also resurrected to eternal life.Jesus couldn't have been brought forth in a begotten manner unless He already existed beforehand. You can disagree if you want but you sure don't have tradition…[Read more]

Mike,You just go ahead and pray to all your gods to save you. For me I will pray to the Father through the Son, not apart from the Son and trust THEM for my salvation, not just Him. We will just have to agree to disagree. Also, make up your own story about how God must beget and what. A true begotten God existed eternally…you can argue with…[Read more]

That's powerful William…thanks for putting that up!

Mike,Quote He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another. But only one of those two did the creating.One did not create anything in heaven or on earth apart from the other.Our God the Father and our LORD Jesus Christ together created and gave life.1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are…[Read more]

Mike,Biblical terminology never calls Paul or other saints in heaven gods.Also, Adam was not God's firstborn son according to humanity. Adam was God's first created human not firstborn human.

Mike,Quote I believe in the existence of MANY theos's, Kathi. But I know how to distinguish those gods from the God who created them. Do you?I know which of those many gods is the Most High God. Do you? (Hint: The only Most High God is the FATHER OF our Lord Jesus Christ.)You think that YHWH is only the God of gods and not the Lord of lords.…[Read more]

BD,you said:Quote Then Kathi he would not have been “eternally” begottenIf by 'begotten' it means a 'birth' in a sense, not a conception, He could always have existed within the Father before being 'birthed' in whatever manner that would have been. Being an only begotten Son/only begotten God, implies one of the same kind as the one who beget…[Read more]

I came across this which is written by the twelve Apostles some time after the resurrection and during the early days of the church. This document is called the Didascalia. It tells us that Friday was the day that Jesus was crucified. Day one is counted as the day He hung on the cross, night one is the three hours of darkness that took place that…[Read more]

Here is an excerpt from the Didascalia which was written in the Aramaic by the 12 Apostles in the early days of the church in order to clear some things up apparently. The Didascalia also talks about the week of the Pascha and what day of the week that Jesus was crucified. They say it was Friday and that day and night one was while Jesus was on…[Read more]

Just came across this:Scholarship typically has believed that the New Testament was originally written in koine or common Greek because the oldest known New Testament manuscripts are all written in Greek. Yet, there are many scholars who are now refuting this idea (see Documents of the Primitive Church, Dr. Charles Torrey; The Quest of the…[Read more]