limjunus,From what you say, you do NOT believe in the literal Son of God which is the foundational truth of the church. The literal son would be the 'like begat like' type, the very God of/from very God, Light of Light.

Jesus WAS killed because the Pharisees believed that He blasphemed:Mak 14:60Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the B…[Read more]

Limjunus,Thank you for your response, apparently you do not believe a portion of the Nicene creed because you believe that it contradicts those verses that you put up for your 'belief foundation' but they do not contradict them with correct understanding. In the OT, God works through His power and wisdom, His 'arm' and His 'Word.' Therefore He…[Read more]

BD,John 3:16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged alrea…[Read more]

BD,Nathan the prophet called Solomon a servant to King David but we know that he was a literal son. See that here:24 And Nathan said, “My lord the king, have you said, 'Adoni'jah shall reign after me, and he shall sit upon my throne'?25 For he has gone down this day, and has sacrificed oxen, fatlings, and sheep in abundance, and has invited all…[Read more]

Thanks William for your explanation although I don' think it is trinitarian. It sounds more like modalism to me but I could be wrong.Here is a copy of the Nicene Creed that unites the vast majority of the churches that consider themselves Christian. I was wondering if you would say if you agree with this or not. If not, would you please bold out…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2012,10:33)Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 22 2012,02:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2012,15:24)limjunus,I do believe that I as well as jammin believe in the Nicene Creed as stated here: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the…[Read more]

Kerwin,Matt 11: 27“All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 23 2012,17:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2012,08:48)Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 22 2012,22:33)Do not forget, God, allowing Jesus Christ to be worship.Jesus is never said to have been “worshiped” in any scripture.  The Greek word “proskuneo” can either refer to the worship that is only due God, or the act of bowing down to another…[Read more]

Mike,Do you think that the Lamb is holy?(I didn't have to search for that song, it is one of my fav's )Oh, and it isn't just my theory, most Christians would agree that Jesus is holy, He does mighty works, all knees will bow to Him and glorify His name, He is the King of kings, His righteous acts will be revealed…the book of Revelations is…[Read more]

BD,you said:Quote God has given many testimonies of many sons and none of them are literal son. So if you do not believe God you have made Him a liar,do you even know what it means to be th son of God?There is one who is a literal Son and He is the only begotten Son/only begotten God.There is definitely a distinction between the only begotten…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 6:6-76The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 3:1010He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I w…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 3:88They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 23 2012,03:49)As God works in our life He reveals truth to us at the appropriate time. Early in my relationship with God He showed me that many, if not most, Christians set their doctrine on an extreme of a pendulums swing, but truth is found in the balance. I remember when I first encountered that the teaching of the…[Read more]

Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 22 2012,02:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2012,15:24)limjunus,I do believe that I as well as jammin believe in the Nicene Creed as stated here: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 22 2012,01:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2012,15:24)limjunus,I do believe that I as well as jammin believe in the Nicene Creed as stated here: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of…[Read more]

Limjunus,Go here, last post on the page:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….6;st=30When you are on youtube, click on 'share,'Then find the 'old embed code,'Then copy 'old embed code' into your post,Then just post it. You can practice in the thread that I linked you to. Btw, I don't know how to do it from my ipad, just my laptop or desktop.Good…[Read more]

t8,Thanks for those answers. I didn't see any scriptural references though, do you have any scriptural defense of your ideas?you said this:Quote Who knows within the realms of eternity when certain things like father-hood and nature apply.If you believe what you said here, then you cannot say that you know for sure that the offspring wasn't always…[Read more]

Frank,you said:Quote No, what you have presented certainly does not lend any “help” in this matter!Sorry you think so. Nevertheless, I have found a great deal of support from the early church on John 1:18 saying 'the only begotten God.'I don't want to argue this with you.