Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2012,11:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 26 2012,06:34)Btw, it is very interesting how you let BD get away with his Muslim ideas but you jump all over my Christian beliefs.Asana and I have gone round and round on certain scriptural issues in the past.  But why would I argue against him when he is speaking scripturally?Btw…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 27 2012,12:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,00:31)BD,Jesus is the only 'like begets like' literal son, He is the only begotten son who always existed with the exact nature of His Father, a nature which eternal power and divinity are attributes.KathiAre there other begotten sons who if they have enough faith can do…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2012,11:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 26 2012,06:34)Mike, Really a 'million word' post.The point was that his question could have and SHOULD HAVE been answered by you with a simple “YES” – for that IS the answer to his question, and you know it.Mike,So you are in a huff because I used more words than you would, ha, that's…[Read more]

Hi William,Just to be clear, you said:Quote I believe the Father is best understood as being like our soul, embodying self, exerting His will over His corporeal extension (the future begotten Son).The creed says that He was 'begotten BEFORE the ages.'You said that you agree with the creed but what you said in the part I quoted seems like you don't…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 27 2012,21:55)Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His inauguration without emptying Himself first.God…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2012,06:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,08:43)T,I believe the creed is free from lies.Kathiso now you are the certified agent ,apostolic that make all of those creed the TRUTH over scriptures well I know were you stand now ,and not on the side of Gods words of truth,understand that the fact that you believe does not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2012,23:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,04:43)T,I believe the creed is free from lies.Not good enough because some will deceive just as they are deceived.It needs to match up with scripture. Not your own doctrine and version of history.After all, you can justify anything by setting conditions first. Then everything is seen…[Read more]

Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His inauguration without emptying Himself first.God bless!

T,I believe the creed is free from lies.

BD,Jesus is the only 'like begets like' literal son, He is the only begotten son who always existed with the exact nature of His Father, a nature which eternal power and divinity are attributes.

Mike, Really a 'million word' post. Lol, you sure are threatened by me aren't you? It is quite funny that you exaggerate so and then right after my 'million word' post, your post is longer than mine. You didn't bother to realize that my post to Bd was not only to answer his question but to quench the argument that was going to go no where. Btw, it…[Read more]

BD,Jesus certainly was a unique son, that's because He was a literal son! 'Only begotten' really is the intended translation and goes back to the original intent as seen in the early church writings.1 John 5:18 speaks of a second birth…a state of being 'born again' by the Spirit with a new life in the only begotten God.

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2012,19:54)The Jewish leaders replied, “We have a law, and according to our law he ought to die, because he claimed to be the Son of God!” (John 19:7)I don't see the charge that he claimed to be YHWH or God. That would have been an easier conviction don't you think.Leviticus 24:16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD mus…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 9:8-178Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9“Now behold, I M…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 8:2121The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,12:45)Kathi,What I meant was:  Why didn't these same Pharisees just come to Jesus' trial and say, “We saw the formerly blind man worship Jesus as if he were God, and Jesus ACCEPTED this worship from him” ?That surely would have been reason enough to have Jesus put to death, and they wouldn't have needed to bring…[Read more]

I agree with you William and I am glad that we agree together on the Nicene Creed and both understand the word 'catholic' as meaning universal and not Roman Catholic. I'm not sure, but I think that there are currently maybe four of us active here on HN that agree with the Nicene Creed. Maybe there should be another poll about it. Thanks for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,11:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2012,10:41)Jesus WAS killed because the Pharisees believed that He blasphemed:Kathi,Please DIRECTLY answer this question:WHY would the Pharisees have had to bring in false witnesses at Jesus' makeshift trial, if certain Pharisees had already seen with their own eyes Jesus receiving…[Read more]

Mike,I showed you that Jehovah is not only God of gods but Lord of lords. We are to worship both. Jesus is the Lord of lords, our one LORD.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,11:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2012,23:04)I showed Mike at least 17 passages in the NT that show that Jesus was worshiped. He was worshiped as the Son of God…clearly!Kathi,I can show you MANY scriptures that tell us to worship ONLY Jehovah, our God……………….. in at least two of them, it is JESUS doing…[Read more]